Problems that don't exist

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UPDATED: Thursday, March 10, 2011 05:51
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AURAPTOR

Thursday, March 3, 2011 12:21 AM

Well, this didn't last long.

Anyone who doesn't see illegal immigration as being a problem is blind.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, March 3, 2011 12:44 AM

Rap.

It's a problem that doesn't exist. Seriously consider it for a second.

When this country was founded, there were 12 million people in it who didn't speak english. They were genetically asiatic, and sometimes violently opposed to the govt., and its white population. As this population got killed or displaced, America took over land from Spain, creating the same "problem" they were removing. Meanwhile, scads of immigrants came over, both legally and not, and they didn't speak English.

So when did white America exist? Never. That's when. It never existed. When did an America where everyone was a citizen exist? Never. When did an America that was not filled with immigrants not speaking the language exist? Never. How about an America not filled with angry violent immigrant gangs that oppose the govt. and society? Oh, right, that never existed either.

I remember when I was a kid, my dad's house in Philly. He had an interpreter because he was a Jew, and he didn't speak Italian. It was hard to get around if you didn't speak Italian. In Philadelphia.... PA... USA...

So, here we are. We have a country with 12 million people in it who are of semi-asiatic dissent, in fact, native american, specifically, and they don't speak English, and sometimes they don't like the govt. or respect its society.

That's America.

Because all of those moments of the past when America accomplished great things, technological innovations, progress or whatever you want to call it, this was a part of that America the whole time. It was part of America for the founding fathers, and the constitution, and the roaring 20s, it doesn't matter when you look, this is your country, um, "love it or leave it" I believe was the credo of the right, no?

This "immigration problem" was cooked up circa 2004. The situation had existed for centuries. All of a sudden, airheaded mediaheads were talking about it. That's what changed.

And btw, have you ever tried talking to these "illegal immigrant" guys, doing business with them? I have. They're real down to Earth hard working Americans, that's what I've found.

Oh, and you do realize that anyone here because they're the descendants of holocaust survivors were here because they were illegal immigrants, too, because the USA had a quota on Jews, 400 IIRC. And those guys who came over on the Mayflower. Them's some serious undocumented illegal aliens.

Before you panic too much, you might want to look at a world map and check out how big america is, also. You're talking about a population the size of London spread, not across an area the size of all of England, spread across an area 80 times as large as all of England.

ETA: But rather than nitpicking, how about adding to the list?

Here's one:

Energy shortage. We're not at all short of oil, not even in the US, but also, we don't need to use oil for power, we have solar, wind, and one of our greatest resources: Good old american knowhow.

When I'm using my iPad I notice how much longer its battery life is than my netbook, because the iPad uses about 4 watts vs. the 7 watts that the netbook uses. Then I turn on and old 1990s desktop PC using 400 watts, or I read a comparison between the power of a cellphone burning 1-3 watts and the computing power of a cray one, which was what 400,000? something like that.

Electric cars are doing something not just for electric cars, but for cars. The Prius consumes 20,000 watts, but the Tesla Roadster, 8,000 watts, and the new Tesla Family Car, 5,600 watts. Why the efficiency? Because there's a need. There's a demand. People want a car that goes more than 40 miles on a charge. With gas stations everywhere, we forgot about efficiency. So, yeah, cars of the future might consume gasoline, but it might be at 400 mpg. There's all sort of things we can do to avoid this so called energy crisis. We're basking in energy.

MINCINGBEAST

Thursday, March 3, 2011 12:59 AM

I don't think illegal immigration is a problem because...

1) all borders are arbitrary and we are all citizens of the world, man, and

2) AMERICA MUST BE DESTROYED!

If I might feign seriousness for but a moment, its mostly a problem for the poor immigrants. We create a market for their labor, and contribute to the conditions in their home countries that make fleeing a viable option. When they get here, we are happy to have their cheap labor and all it provides. But we are not happy to have them. They live in the shadows, and we blame them for it.

I don't think that a rising population of injuns (thats what they are damn it) is a problem. No doubt immigrants have done some unpleasant things--I would never deny that, for I'm a fan of the unpleasant. But certainly not a problem on scale with say, global warming.

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, March 3, 2011 2:22 AM

Mince

Yeah, I think I just said that, but well said. Good editions to the list. Actually, of course, I think it's a very static population of injuns, about 12 million, for 400 years running now. In the wild west there were indians and mexicans, it's been a slow shift. Of course, a fairly large number of our mexicans don't even speak spanish as a first language, they speak some indian language.

But care to add anything to the list?

Like this:

Housing Crisis. There's lots of housing. Tons of it. And we had a stupid economy so we built more. now there are cities in florida with no people living in them, just houses, built so someone could sell mortgages.

Speaking of which

The housing market. No need to save it, bail it out, or hell, even have it. There's plenty of housing, let it collapse in value to whatever supply and demand says.

HARDWARE

Thursday, March 3, 2011 2:51 AM

Unsecured borders. Not talking about illegal workers crossing over, but anybody who can make a hike and meet a truck on this side of the border can illegally enter the country for any number of reasons besides work.

When we're involved in a war against terrorists, does this sound smart to anyone?

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

CANTTAKESKY

Thursday, March 3, 2011 3:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
We create a market for their labor, and contribute to the conditions in their home countries that make fleeing a viable option. When they get here, we are happy to have their cheap labor and all it provides. But we are not happy to have them. They live in the shadows, and we blame them for it.

I don't think that a rising population of injuns (thats what they are damn it) is a problem.

Thank you. That was fantastic.

KWICKO

Thursday, March 3, 2011 3:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:

And illegal immigration? Hell. I'm more concerned about them closing off that border so we can't get OUT than I am by any of the people coming in.

Thanks for saying it. I've tried to point it out, too - the same walls that keep "them" out, keep "us" *IN*. The walls that make your home a castle, also make it a prison.

Problems that don't exist?

Islamic jihad.

Sharia law taking over the U.S.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

KWICKO

Thursday, March 3, 2011 3:23 AM

Gun control.

A problem which does not exist.

"Global war on terror" - an entire security-industrial complex, all bent on propping up a bogeyman that does not exist.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

RIONAEIRE

Thursday, March 3, 2011 3:25 AM

So in your mind's eye DT, what _do you think is a problem? Because all these things, some of which I do think are real problems, seem not to bother you, so what _is a problem.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

KWICKO

Thursday, March 3, 2011 3:32 AM

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Electric cars are doing something not just for electric cars, but for cars. The Prius consumes 20,000 watts, but the Tesla Roadster, 8,000 watts, and the new Tesla Family Car, 5,600 watts. Why the efficiency? Because there's a need. There's a demand. People want a car that goes more than 40 miles on a charge. With gas stations everywhere, we forgot about efficiency. So, yeah, cars of the future might consume gasoline, but it might be at 400 mpg. There's all sort of things we can do to avoid this so called energy crisis. We're basking in energy.

By the way, and not to get off-topic too far, but the Chevy Volt has a system by which it will force itself to use a tank of gas every year, lest the gas sit in the tank and go "sour".

Imagine that. A car that you can drive every single day, and which is in danger of NOT using a full tank of gasoline if you drive it normally. Also, it's a car that you CAN use every single day (around 40-50 miles of real-world driving, in real-world tests) without ever firing up the gas engine, OR you can drive it on long trips (300 miles or so), and it will use the gas engine as a generator.

Kind of astonishing, really. I thought I was doing good spending $20 every 3 weeks for gas. Imagine spending that every YEAR!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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