Jayne Cobb: Bad man? or just playing the angles?

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UPDATED: Tuesday, August 3, 2004 07:20
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YT

Monday, August 2, 2004 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by Bourne:
he betrayed the crew in "Ariel" because the nuances of Mal's definition of loyalty were still unclear to him ("It ain't like I ratted YOU out to the Feds!").

I'd go even further and say that he betrayed a stowaway and an accomplice who endangered what Jayne thought of as "the crew".

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As to the possible betrayal in Serenity...I thought that Lawrence was using a piece of broken glass, not a knife, to sever his bonds.

I don't see that as important. Jayne's a pro; there shouldn't have been anything sharp in the room with the prisoner. I think Jayne was playing the angles, as originally suggested, and gave it to him.

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Here's another way to look at this. As important as the safety of his crew is to Mal, would he knowingly accept a continued risk to that safety in the form of a unreconstructed mercenary? HE'S got to be smarter than that, even if Jayne isn't. My personal take on it is that Jayne and Mal have an implicit understanding between them.

I think this is supported by their dialogue @the end of the pilot.

I also believe that "the money" was enough for Jayne to retire on, and Mal knew it. I think Mal knows that Jayne wouldn't turn him in for any sane amount of money, and sees no reason for the Alliance to offer an insane amount.

Keep the Shiny Side Up

Wutzon: Long John Baldry, "Right to Sing the Blues"

MER

Tuesday, August 3, 2004 12:21 AM

I'm thinking that the metal is something that was already on Dobson, found somewhere on the ship, or something that either Mal or Jayne dropped by accident.

I would think that Jayne would do it himself to turn in the Tams. If Dobson would, he'd be off with the money and Jayne would be left standing.

But then again, I could be wrong.

Jayne is a guy who's values are a bit wavy. He just doesn't know right from wrong. Even though he's thinking of himself, he probably has the mentality of the typical guy out in a new fronter. To not trust anyone but yourself. But I do think he cares about his family at least. He's sending money home whenever he can.

I think I'm repeating myself...all in all, "Jayne is a naughty boy who needs proper disciple."

CORWYN

Tuesday, August 3, 2004 2:09 AM

Nope. Jayne was told the payoff, and asked he the question he needed, to see if it was worth it. "Would helping you mean turning on the captain?" "Yes it would." Jayne can not now lie to himself about it. Either he betrays the captain (by helping even a little bit), or he remains loyal. If he helped Dobson, it would have been all the way, not some weaselly little knife thing.

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I don't see that as important. Jayne's a pro; there shouldn't have been anything sharp in the room with the prisoner. I think Jayne was playing the angles, as originally suggested, and gave it to him.

Challenge: _You_ empty a room of all things sharp. Not an easy chore. Go check the FBI concealed weapons lists if you don't believe me. Or a prison. It entails inflicting indignaties, the few are willing to, even while the torture someone. Early didn't manage it, and he is better than Jayne, and his victim was a sweet female mechanic, not a (presumably) well trained alliance mole.

That said, Jayne is a bad man.

YT

Tuesday, August 3, 2004 6:41 AM

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Originally posted by corwyn:

Nope. Jayne was told the payoff, and asked he the question he needed, to see if it was worth it. "Would helping you mean turning on the captain?" "Yes it would." Jayne can not now lie to himself about it. Either he betrays the captain (by helping even a little bit), or he remains loyal. If he helped Dobson, it would have been all the way, not some weaselly little knife thing.

Hmmm, interesting point. Now . . .

Can Jayne rationalize giving LD a cutting tool? I think so.

Would LD let Jayne simply give him a cutting tool & leave? I don't think so. If LD thought Jayne had sold out, LD would insist that, @a minimum, Jayne cut him free immediately.

OK, I'm convinced. Jayne didn't leave LD the cutting implement.

Keep the Shiny Side Up

Wutzon: Cold Blood, "Sisyphus"

YT

Tuesday, August 3, 2004 6:54 AM

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Originally posted by corwyn:

Challenge: _You_ empty a room of all things sharp. Not an easy chore. Go check the FBI concealed weapons lists

The one on knives

http://datacenter.ap.org/wdc/fbiweapons.pdf

is 89 pages long, of which 86 pages display a concealable knife. Couldn't find the Add-to-Cart button.

Keep the Shiny Side Up

Wutzon: Cold Blood, "Sisyphus"

PURPLEBELLY

Tuesday, August 3, 2004 7:20 AM

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Originally posted by YT:
Couldn't find the Add-to-Cart button.

LOL

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