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POSTED BY: Wulfenstar
UPDATED: Sunday, February 20, 2011 15:39
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JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, February 10, 2011 12:50 PM

I see little difference between Congressional Dems & Repubs. It looks to me like the Tea Party is a one-issue movement, and they oppose spending and deficits. Wow, okay, now let's move on, but for the other issues of the day, I haven't heard unified positions on anything, except maybe that Angle, O'Donnell, and Paul are all unified on the subject of insanity. The newly-empowered mainstream D.C. Republicans seem clueless as well. They had a few months before taking control to supposedly make some plans. Can't wait to see anything substantive from them that has a prayer of getting signed by Obama. Our foreign policy is in shambles, the terror threat is back to its' highest levels, gas and food prices are soaring, runaway inflation is looming, the Mexican border is out of control, and all these well-dressed ego-maniacs want to do is score political gotcha points in the media as they try to set the stage for next year's Presidential campaign. I am very glad I'm in the last trimester of my life. Hopefully I've socked away enough money to weather any future economic storm that threatens to seriously change the American way of life. Good luck to you young folks. I fear your future won't be as bright as the generations that preceded you, and that's a damn shame.

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, February 10, 2011 12:57 PM

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the Tea Party is not libertarian.

I think we should avoid this sort of thing, because it agrees to hand over the tea party, which is not yet defined, and has quickly become the third most powerful force in American politics, over en toto to Glenn Beck and his ilk.

It was started by Ron Paul, and yes, its picked up a lot of ignorant peole, but ignorance is not a political position, these people can be informed, and if they choose to split off, we can still have the revolution.

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, February 10, 2011 3:20 PM

So blind, so complacent, so naively trusting...
Inexcusable, especially when the goddamn voting is a matter of public record.

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Of those eight freshmen, it appears that all were Tea Party-supported candidates. It's encouraging to see these officials stick to their professed ideals. I hope that this is a continuing phenomenon. According to this article at MSNBC, though, at least forty house seats went to Tea Party-backed candidates. Cross-referencing the list at MSNBC and the outcome of the vote, the following is a list of Tea Party-backed candidates voting for the bill:

Tim Griffin (AR-2), Paul Gosar (AZ-1), Steve Southerland (FL-2), Allen West (FL-22), Sandy Adams (FL-24), Bob Dold (IL-10), Adam Kinzinger (IL-11), Marlin Stutzman (IN-3), Todd Young (IN-9), Jeff Landry (LA-3), Dan Benishek (MI-1), Tim Walberg (MI-7), Michelle Bachmann (MN-6), Vicky Hartzler (MO-4), Renee Ellmers (NC-2), Frank Guinta (NH-1), Joe Heck (NV-3), Michael Grimm (NY-13), Steven Chabot (OH-1), Bill Johnson (OH-6), Steve Stivers (OH-15), Jim Renacci (OH-16), Tim Scott (SC-1), Jeff Duncan (SC-3), Trey Gowdy (SC-4), Mick Mulvaney (SC-5), Scott DesJarlais (TN-4), Bill Flores (TX-17), H. Morgan Griffith (VA-9), Sean Duffy (WI-7), Reid Ribble (WI-8), David McKinley (WV-1)

That's thirty-one out of forty voting for the bill (77.5%), eight voting against, and one no-vote. Despite the eight nay votes, Tea Party-backed candidates overwhelmingly supported an extension of the PATRIOT Act. That's not good for anybody.

But no, you just take their word for it...

This message sponsored by the chair leg of truth.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

CANTTAKESKY

Thursday, February 10, 2011 4:33 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
So blind, so complacent, so naively trusting...
Inexcusable, especially when the goddamn voting is a matter of public record.

Well, exactly. These people are NOT libertarian.

Libertarian is as libertarian votes, n'est ce pas?

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Everything I say is just my opinion, not fact.

KWICKO

Thursday, February 10, 2011 7:15 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
...but ignorance is not a political position...

Again, ask Sarah Palin.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

NIKI2

Friday, February 11, 2011 11:26 PM

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3. Shut down the War on Terror and bring our boys and girls home.

The Tea Party won't ever get my respect until they start working on this too.

Hail Hail $3. The Tea Party would get some respect from ME if they started working on jobs, which is what they got elected on. What happened to that, by the way, anyway??

Uh, Wulf:

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Dems have been in power for 2 years. They COULD have ended the 2 wars, and reversed the Patriot Act. They didn't.

But they’ve been two 10-year wars, where were those in power THEN???

CTTS:

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Everybody needs to realize that the overwhelming majority of our elected officials in BOTH parties are in favor of both the war and the Patriot Act.

To a degree, I agree. Definitely power, once given, is damned hard to take away; with any politician, any legislator, or any government!

As to Glenn Beck being a libertarian:

Glenn Beck seems like someone who’s totally crazy. Only he’s crazy like a fox (Fox?). He knows exactly what he’s doing and he’s laughing all the way to the bank. CTTS is right, too.

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I don't accept Beck as a tea party leader, but a lot of ducklings do. I'd personally like to see him gone off into whatever Betty Ford has for politicians ;)

But I’m kinda confused. You seemed to have said he “was” a libertarian...?

Again, CTTS:

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First, the Tea Party may have started out supporting Ron Paul, but it's deviated far and long since becoming popular. I would say they no longer support even half of Ron Paul's positions anymore. So again in my book, the Tea Party is not libertarian.

I agree.

JS:

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all these well-dressed ego-maniacs want to do is score political gotcha points in the media as they try to set the stage for next year's Presidential campaign.

Right on, but as to

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a one-issue movement, and they oppose spending and deficits

I beg to disagree. There’s also all those pesky little social issues like abortion and religion and all... As O’Donnell said: ““We took the Bible and prayer out of public schools, and now we're having weekly shootings practically,”

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Libertarian is as libertarian votes, n'est ce pas?

Oui, cest ça.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

WULFENSTAR

Friday, February 11, 2011 11:39 PM

Um, who says that Republicans are better?

They had the Patriot Act.

Dems have ObamaCare.

Both are powergrabs...

CONTROL of the people, you silly girl.

THATS what its about.

AND EVERYTHING IM AGAINST.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

NIKI2

Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:13 AM

Well, if so that's good. If you've changed and grown, more power to you. You've always been pretty right-leaning, or maybe anti-left would be better; if you're finding more perspective, you're growing. Tho' if it's only to switch over to the Tea Party, that's another matter.

If you're seeing through all of them, that's good; if you can figure out how not to throw the baby out with the bath water, that will be even better.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

SIGNYM

Sunday, February 13, 2011 5:47 AM

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Sig, Wulf, can the partisan shtick. It's been a bipartisan fight from the beginning and still is.

No it hasn't. Some of the Dem Party are in the hands of big money. MORE in the Repub party are in the hands of big money. The agenda of the Repubs has always been to suck up to money. Even the tea party is a dupe of big money. Follow the money, honey: Who is funding? They'll get whatever they want. Only the working person gets screwed in the end. Tea Pertiers are stupid. They think the Tea Party is about "freedom"?????

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!

Suckers.

Wulf is the biggest sucker of all, and DT is not far behind.

SIGNYM

Sunday, February 13, 2011 12:02 PM

Oh, I had this long addition, but the inet ate it. So in brief, here is its:

The Tea Party is funded by big money. Big conservative money, like the Koch Brothers, Murdoch, and the US Chamber of Commerce. No matter what they promise, in the end their goal is to suck more money out of the people who don't belong to their little club. In all the talk of balancing the budget and getting the gubmint off "your" (ie their) back by cutting Social Security and Medicare and doing away with the home mortgage deduction, there is nary a peep about cutting the DOD and ending corporate subsidies and taxing the rich. And none of the news media is pointing out that void in the conversation. (Do you remember me saying a while back that you can get a lot of information from what is NOT being talked about? Here is a great example.) Oh sure- a few politicians here and there will make some noise about it, but in the end you'll get screwed and they'll get richer. Because it's all about money. Let me repeat that: it's not about "freedom" or "gun control" or "getting the gubmint off your back", IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY.

So as much as I would love to see the insurance mandate disappear but still keep the regulations which prevent some of the more egregious insurance abuses, because of who is funding the movement I will bet you dollars to donuts that the result will be the exact opposite: We'll be required to shell out our money to insurance companies with a naked “pay or die” business model, while they can cut you off on a whim when you need coverage the most, and there won't be nuttin' you can do about it.

This wouldn't be the first time some ijit came to power by saying one thing a doing another. Do you think Hitler would have been elected if he had run on a platform of a ruinous war and genocide? If you really want to know what's going to happen Don't listen to what the politicians say. They're trained liars for god's sake. Do you REALLY think that their supporters give a hoot about you, or anything having to do with you??? Look at their money source. Because, when you see backers like that, it's all about money.