A question/experiment.

POSTED BY: Fremdfirma
UPDATED: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 02:22
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FREMDFIRMA

Monday, January 24, 2011 10:37 PM

Mine were, and I didn't post em earlier to avoid loading the question...

1. Nixon
2. Verbal Kint (usual suspects)
3. Leon (the professional)
4. Slippery Jim Digriz (stainless steel rat)
5. Jack Abramoff

(I'll admit the "jailbirds" from Disney that Anthony mentioned did come to mind)

Okay, so maybe RWED was not exactly the ideal sample base to choose from, not for bad reasons, just that we seem to be folk who, many of us, actually think before answering, and are a bit more "involved" in life, the world and other things...

Four out of Nine is still, even after so long, indicative - and no, not precisely a psychology trick, but rather what name is likely to pop up in anyones head at the mention of the specific WORD "Crook".

This is in relation to a study-paper on political backlash/blowback effect, and given *that* information, you know exactly what name I was expecting to pop up 50% or more of the time - Nixon.

By saying those words, in light of the ever-mounting evidence he was lying through his teeth, he stamped the word "CROOK" on his legacy in letters of fire eight feet tall, just as Clinton, in his denials, did much the same - this is ever more dangerous in the heydays of the internet, what with how memes get started, but that one pre-existed the internet, the social meme of "I am not a crook!" still brings hilarity, to the point where at one time many criminals used Nixon masks (them also being widely available) instead of stocking masks, leading to further solidification of that meme.

He hasn't decided how to close the paper, whether to go with his assertion (which I told him is mealy-mouthed tripe) that sometimes it's better to answer such allegations through an attorney, or mine that the best policy is to shut the fuck up (not in so many words, mind) cause a closed mouth gathers no feet - you'd THINK in this day and age most kids would type faster than he does...

Oh, and just so you know, you guys crack me the hell up, and I needed a good laugh or two today.

And...

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Now for the bonus question: and SPOILER TAG YOUR ANSWERS!

For those who did bite the schmuck-bait...
How often do you "cheat" when no one is harmed by it, like at solitare, single player games, riddles, stuff like that ?

Myself - all the time, but for the weird reason of picking things apart, specifically games, in order to figure out HOW THEY WORK, which one could also consider "cheating" via having an understanding of the game engine and it's own internal "rules" that a human opponent wouldn't have.
(See Also: TVTropes - The Computer is a cheating bastard)
I particularly hate games that break their OWN rules in order to present a supposed challenge.
(See Also: Rubberband AI)
I figure if the game engine is gonna cheat me, tis only "fair" that I return the favor, although that's kind of meta, I admit.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

BYTEMITE

Monday, January 24, 2011 11:29 PM

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I do sometimes, when I have a regular deck of solitaire cards, start out doing 3-draw rules, and eventually end up doing 1-draw rules.

With 1-draw rules, you win every time.

I also have an unusual skill with beating the computer version of solitaire, or used to have, since I don't have much time to just play it anymore. I think it must be an intrinsic understanding of the strategies and the card randomizer and other factors without really being conscious of the how or able to explain.

I never cheated on tests in school though, didn't need to. I also used to switch all my jelly beans in my easter basket out with my brother's without him knowing, which I guess is a kind of cheating or dishonesty. Especially when he started wondering why he had so many coffee-flavour jellie beans...

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, January 24, 2011 11:33 PM

Ok, I'm not reading the spoilers

Carl Williams
Jason Moran
Victor Pierce
Mick Gatto
Sqizzy taylor

CANTTAKESKY

Tuesday, January 25, 2011 2:15 AM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Okay, so I've got a crush on Alan Rickman, I plead guilty.

Me too. Me too. Sigh.

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Everything I say is just my opinion, not fact.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, January 25, 2011 2:34 AM

First thing that came to mind: Nixon. As in "I am not a _________"

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, January 25, 2011 3:49 AM

Frem

That's sort of what I meant by trick, that this was about sleight of mind, not looking for thoughtful answers. I recognized the words "first ... to come to mind" was looking for a gut response. Sorry, I was short on humor. I think everyone thinks, and also gut reacts. It's knowing the one from the other.

I posted, and then cheated.

Best responses IMHO:

"3. Whatever fucker stole and totaled my second car."

and

"Alan Rickman"

lol. Alan Rickman is pretty awesome. Also shows that Gary Oldman must be flagging somewhere.

Also, that what the Harry Potter movies really needed to boost that extra dollar was a little Snape/Hermione slash.

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Oh man, that's just not right. - speaking of alan rickman movies.

Magon's list was most curious, because I think, absent our media, our list would looks similar, different names, same idea. I also thought that the Sheriff showed up twice, that was very curious. IIRC, Robin Hood was the crook. Anarchist perhaps, but the Sheriff was enforcing the law (think of it what you will)

But it also bring up this thought:

If the Sheriff is the crook, then logically you're saying that crook is a subjective judgment, ergo, our laws of today could be looked at in the same way, as being purely subjective judgments. I'd basically agree with that sentiment, but it's not one that I've seen people really post here, and not a common one in society. (Okay, obviously Frem has, and CTS as well on a good many occasions.)

But so often people say with moral indignation "It was illegal, they broke the law, they should be punished." Perhaps that requires more thought if people are going to consider the Sheriff of Nottingham, not just the villain of the story, but "a crook."

I was recently reading about historical documents.

(not these ones)

But rather ones on robin hood, who was apparently arrested many times. Much that has been told was true, except for the bit about Kings, which appears to be fiction, they never really entered into it. It also appears Robin's father was arrested as well, but only once. Another curious note, the tree that Robin is supposed to have hidden out in still stands.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
Okay, so I've got a crush on Alan Rickman, I plead guilty.
Me too. Me too. Sigh.

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Everything I say is just my opinion, not fact.

Me too too.

Odd I was just having that conversation with a girlfriend recently, where we both admitted to AR being a rather strange lust object.

Loved him since Truly, Madly, Deeply.

DT, my list were local villians, all organised crime, just one from the past. The others have gained notoriety in recent years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underbelly_%28TV_series%29

ANTHONYT

Tuesday, January 25, 2011 7:02 AM

Hello,

I read the Stainless Steel Rat series when I was younger. It was fun.

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If no one is hurt by it, I don't much consider it cheating.

IF no one is hurt by it. That's a big IF.

--Anthony

Assured by friends that the signal-to-noise ratio has improved on this forum, I have disabled web filtering.

ANTHONYT

Tuesday, January 25, 2011 7:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
Okay, so I've got a crush on Alan Rickman, I plead guilty.
Me too. Me too. Sigh.

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Everything I say is just my opinion, not fact.

Me too too.

Odd I was just having that conversation with a girlfriend recently, where we both admitted to AR being a rather strange lust object.

Loved him since Truly, Madly, Deeply.

DT, my list were local villians, all organised crime, just one from the past. The others have gained notoriety in recent years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underbelly_%28TV_series%29

Hello,

You guys should watch Closet Land, if you haven't already.

--Anthony

Assured by friends that the signal-to-noise ratio has improved on this forum, I have disabled web filtering.

THEHAPPYTRADER

Tuesday, January 25, 2011 9:17 AM

I must admit, I took the bait and read the spoiler. I did so looking for a better understanding of the question. "Crook" isn't a word I think I've ever actually used myself and I was trying to figure out what exactly you meant by it.

Of course the first thing I thought of was Nixon and the "I am not a crook" thing.

From their I decided to base my definition on the Nixon example, so I figured "crook" must be someone in power who lies to us for their own gain and too our detriment and came up with:

2 Those hypochristians spouting hellfire and brimstone, damning every homosexual and liberal artist and trying to make Christianity "exclusive" rather than "inclusive" as Jesus wanted. I can go on all day in how the bible the actually speaks against them, but that's not really the topic of this thread. I hate them because of how they turn people from God and make real Christians look bad.

3 The Climate Scientists who appear to ignore or suppress significant data so that they can push their on social or economic agenda

4 Politicians in general

5 Some of my earlier teachers (usually history) who knowingly taught us lies. I won't go into specifics cause I fear it will start a flame war with those who believe what they've taught or agree with them out of their likely 'noble intentions' to grow us with the proper mindset.

It's just not right in my opinion to brand an entire culture with that kind of evil, even if they did lose the conflict, and if your a child who's ancestors were part of that conflict on the losing side, you kinda think you should be ashamed or something, cause your family must have been real douche's way back when right? Surely everyone on that side was as evil as the folks they taught us about? Why else would they have fought?

My "crooks" came from stream of consciousness word association and are by no means the "top 5" of crookedness. Concerning the spoiler...

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Like you with the computer, I was actually looking for information. Sometimes the computer really is a cheating bastard though, lol. There was this one mission on XWA I always had to 'cheat' with invulnerability or skip cause it was so disproportionately hard compared to the ones before and after it. As it turned out, I eventually found out that due to a glitch, that mission was always locked in at the hardest possible difficulty and there was a patch to fix that and some other issues.

Also, I guess I 'cheat' Neverwinter Nights sometimes, but I think of it more as editing. Basically, instead of using the 'point buy' stat method I roll my stats with dice (I prefer the more random aspects of D&D) and manually enter them after creating a character and starting the game.

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