GO-Bag and General Carry
POSTED BY: Wulfenstar
UPDATED: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 03:45
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Mace is illegal in most places outside of the US, though I did meet some American girls who carried it. You are correct about that being its use.
So, JUST the hairspray, or would you have coupled it with something else?
Because the main use of hairpsray-as-defense I can think of, well...
The thought that anyone could consider that option preferable to a gun, considering the damage to hypothetical attacker one is defending themselves from, the concept has me a little thrown. I can only assume you must be intending a very different use from the one I was envisioning.
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Well I wasn't going to fix their hair for them. 
Hairspray into someones eyes would cause them pain and temporary blindness, much like mace. It simply gives you time to run away.
I never really believed that carrying it would do much good. If I had to be out after dark and alone in a city, I used to adopt an attitude ie not look fragile and vulnerable. I wore doc marten boots for years, wore big coats, swung an umbrella, walked as much like a man as I could. Never had too much trouble.
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Okay then. With that proposed use of hairspray, there are no inconsistencies.
You're good.
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Good lord, what were you imagining?
Btw, it is not that I wouldn't do a would be attacker harm if I could. I'd be prepared to do extreme damage to someone if they tried to harm my son, for example. It's just that I have a belief that in a reasonably functionable society, people shouldn't have to carry firearms to protect themselves. I believe where I live fits 'reasonably functionable', but others here have indicated that where they live does not. I don't know any better, so I'll accept that.
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Oh yes, that I will give you, being one of the rare few less affected by CS/Oleoresin Capsicum/Mace, I can certainly assure you that a shot of hairspray to the eyes, or even glasses, is at best tremendously disconcerting and at worst wickedly painful - even the part that hits your glasses is a pain in the ass cause it sticks and fuzzes them up.
I dunno about brand-based effectiveness mind you, but I shall certainly vouch for Aqua-net, as an extremely angry ex decided to make her wrath known to me with such, and I've never forgotten it.
-F
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"Btw, it is not that I wouldn't do a would be attacker harm if I could. I'd be prepared to do extreme damage to someone if they tried to harm my son, for example. It's just that I have a belief that in a reasonably functionable society, people shouldn't have to carry firearms to protect themselves. I believe where I live fits 'reasonably functionable', but others here have indicated that where they live does not. I don't know any better, so I'll accept that."
Do you even realize how insulting that is?
Our society functions just fine. In fact, its the model for most other countries.
Also, I consider a society that expects you to rely on the government (or its employees) for your immediate safety... dysfunctional.
Not to mention, a society that has given up its ability to overthrow its government, should it become tyrannical... sheep-like.
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"Btw, it is not that I wouldn't do a would be attacker harm if I could. I'd be prepared to do extreme damage to someone if they tried to harm my son, for example. It's just that I have a belief that in a reasonably functionable society, people shouldn't have to carry firearms to protect themselves. I believe where I live fits 'reasonably functionable', but others here have indicated that where they live does not. I don't know any better, so I'll accept that."
Do you even realize how insulting that is?
Less insulting than feeling that you have to be heavily strapped just to go outside, I'd wager. THAT is insulting, and a clear indication that your "model for most other countries" is an epic fail.
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Our society functions just fine. In fact, its the model for most other countries.
List them. Name all the countries that are modeled after ours, gun rights and all. I'll bet you a billion dollars it isn't even close to "most" of them.
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Also, I consider a society that expects you to rely on the government (or its employees) for your immediate safety... dysfunctional.
Heh... Do you have any idea how insulting THAT is, to someone living in another country? ;)
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Not to mention, a society that has given up its ability to overthrow its government, should it become tyrannical... sheep-like.
So you admit that you're one of the sheeple. After all, you HAVE NOT overthrown your government. You haven't even tried. Ergo, by your own admission, you've given up your "ability" to do so.
So either you DON'T believe that your government is in any way "tyrannical", or you don't believe in your "ability" to overthrow it.
Don't fret; you're in good company. After all, Americans haven't overthrown their government for over 200 years. One might get the impression that they've lost the ability to do so. Some of them tried, once, and failed miserably.
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"Less insulting than feeling that you have to be heavily strapped just to go outside, I'd wager."
I don't HAVE to be, I LIKE to be. Big difference. Some places in America you HAVE to be. Just like any other country.
"So you admit that you're one of the sheeple. After all, you HAVE NOT overthrown your government. You haven't even tried. Ergo, by your own admission, you've given up your "ability" to do so.
So either you DON'T believe that your government is in any way "tyrannical", or you don't believe in your "ability" to overthrow it.
Don't fret; you're in good company. After all, Americans haven't overthrown their government for over 200 years. One might get the impression that they've lost the ability to do so. Some of them tried, once, and failed miserably."
Good grief, this doesnt even make sense.
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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Good grief, this doesnt even make sense.
The Civil War? Waco? Battle of Blair Mountain?
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BTW I think I meant to say functional. Not sure if funcctionable is a word. :oops:
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"Btw, it is not that I wouldn't do a would be attacker harm if I could. I'd be prepared to do extreme damage to someone if they tried to harm my son, for example. It's just that I have a belief that in a reasonably functionable society, people shouldn't have to carry firearms to protect themselves. I believe where I live fits 'reasonably functionable', but others here have indicated that where they live does not. I don't know any better, so I'll accept that."
Do you even realize how insulting that is?
You see now I am confused. Everytime I write something about not needing to carry, people on this board shout back at me (metaphorically speaking) about how dangerous it is 'out there' and how people get home invaded, car jacked, followed home from supermarkets, done over by corrupt police. They cite example after example of how bad it is and that is why you need to carry. And I think to myself 'that sounds really lousy, I can see why people might arm themselves'
So you are now saying that you don't carry arms to defend yourself, as there is no need?
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Not to mention, a society that has given up its ability to overthrow its government, should it become tyrannical... sheep-like.
Again, I am confused. I thought people were carrying weapons to defend themselves against crime. isn't that the case? You don't need to carry to have the ability to defend youself against tyranny.
You demonstrate very clearly the confused thinking around gun ownership, particularly those who demand the right to carry arms.
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