GO-Bag and General Carry

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UPDATED: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 03:45
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HARDWARE

Sunday, January 23, 2011 4:38 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Now THAT is funny. As I said, anything can be a weapon. Even your empty gun, once you've used all your ammo ventilating my K5 zones. Of course I won't have the power to hit you with it. I'll be too busy bleeding out.

FIFY

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NIKI2

Sunday, January 23, 2011 8:00 PM

Amusing this is still going on; so it is with any “discussion” of guns OR climate change...

Frem,

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Allow me to note for the record that getting into a debate on statistics is no more useful here than it is concerning climate, and for the same reasons, one of which is *both* "sides" have blown any credibility with constant obfuscation, distortion and omissions bordering on outright lies.

That said, Niki, you are aware the folks handing out the statistics you posted consider a perp shot dead in the commission of a violent crime to be a "victim of gun violence"

Yes on the first; as to the second, anyone who dies by a gun is someone who died by a gun, to me. The number of people who shot someone who was robbing or attacking them is WAY outweighed by those who did the robbing/attacking, so it’s irrelevant, to me.

Yeah, Hardware, I saw that too

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The linked article commented that in the same period less US servicemen were being killed in Iraq. Meaning the US was more dangerous to US citizens than Iraq.

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MAGONSDAUGHTER

Sunday, January 23, 2011 11:42 PM

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I think, Magons - that the critical difference here is that you think you can trust your protectors, and given you live there and that is your choice, imma hafta give you benefit of the doubt in order to not be unreasonable...

You know I think you have nailed it, frem. But it's not that I have absolute in my government or police force. I know that at times there has been corruption in both - particularly the police force, it's just that I do believe I have more faith in democratic processes than many who visit these boards. You know I also see that democracy has its limits and draw backs, for example I don't think it's a particularly good system for making long term decisions that may be really useful or necessary for a country, simply because they might be unpalatable for an electorate.

But basically I feel that I am much more optimistic than many here and I guess that is based on my life experiences, as theirs are too. I'd rather have that faith in the system than live somewhere with an aggressive, mistrustful and heavily armed population who feel they need to be the ones to uphold the law. It may be that our two realities are very, very different. Maybe, or it just maybe that our perception is where the difference lies.

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Instead of "nerving yourself up" to do something you do not at all feel comfortable with, I reccommend you simply buddy up with a trustworthy yank who does carry - whether to carry or not is a personal choice, and up to the individual, one I respect, so long as my choice is respected and not infringed or called upon to BE infringed because of what I *might* do, cause that is an ugly, ugly road to travel.

Your country, your choice. I recognise that it would be hard to stuff that genie back in the bottle, even if that was something a lot of people wanted.

I'd not consider carrying if I visit, frem, nor would I feel the need to team up with anyone who does (unless I was visiting bear territory). I've travelled a reasonable amount in my life, some places have been safer than others and I've never armed myself with anything more than the can of hairspray I referred to earlier. I'd just take the normal precautions that I'd take anywhere, get information on places that aren't safe and pretty much avoid them, lock my room and car, and no carry heaps of cash around.

I'd be thinking pretty carefully about which cities I'd like to visit, as most large urban areas are pretty dull in my view, all being fairly similar. I'd have to go to NY, Savannah interests me, as does New Orleans, although I might cross that off the list for safety reasons, San Fransisco. Probably other than these, I'd prefer to see the natural attractions.

PIZMOBEACH

Sunday, January 23, 2011 11:55 PM

Magons - I second DT's observation that this forum should definitely NOT be used as a general representation of US attitudes for almost everything discussed here. It's extreme, and pretty flaky, and occasionally brilliant imho.

Has anyone else noticed? This is a general observation about conflict, especially political conflict: 99% of the time the 2 sides that end up leading almost any debate will be the most diametrically opposed? It's like a force of nature, like cells dividing. Ironically, because of it the possibility of any resolution that serves either side is zero.
Gun Haters vs Gun Lovers, Dems vs Reps, natural selection, zero resolution, built in Fail.
So, for instance, when some moderates want there to be a steeper hill to climb for gun ownership more akin to getting a driver's license, the debate usually gets derailed by: Yes, that may be reasonable but: "guns don't kill people, people do" and "people without guns can't kill people as easily."
Since the extremes end up driving these debates there's little chance for any intelligent discussion.

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MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, January 24, 2011 12:11 AM

geez, it was a pretty flaky premise for discussion anyway. So what if it evolves into something else.

BYTEMITE

Monday, January 24, 2011 12:26 AM

Magons, you don't mind if I ask you about that hairspray you mentioned, do you?

Did you list that because you saw it as a fairly innocuous item, meaning you don't feel the need to arm yourself or defend yourself at all?

Or did you list it because it has some useful but not commonly thought of properties that can make it useful for defense?

KWICKO

Monday, January 24, 2011 12:32 AM

Most likely the second one, Byte.

As I said, anything can be a weapon. Especially the human brain.

Hairspray + lighter = flamethrower.

Hairspray + eyes = poor woman's Mace.

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MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, January 24, 2011 12:34 AM

I carried it for a brief time for defence purposes. I was in my 20's, travelling alone through Europe, in cities that were unfamilar to me. It never made me feel particularly safer, as I said, my main worry was that I would pull it our and spray myself in the face.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, January 24, 2011 12:35 AM

Mace is illegal in most places outside of the US, though I did meet some American girls who carried it. You are correct about that being its use.

BYTEMITE

Monday, January 24, 2011 12:36 AM

Well, yes, I would think so too, I mentioned something similar in my first post in this thread. But I wanted to hear from her to be sure.

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