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Britain's coldest Xmas in history caused by Global Warming

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Sunday, December 26, 2010 9:23 PM

We're cross-posting again (hee, hee, hee). Which is neat; I rarely if ever get to "talk" to you.

Yes, scorpions hibernate: In snowy areas, they hibernate during the cold months of the year. In drought areas they may "aestivate" (pass the summer in a dormant or torpid state). Do you have the really bad ones, or just the stingers?

We were lucky in Afghanistan...despite having so many various deadly insects, we had the big yellow scorpions, about like a bee sting. My dad got stung three times while sleeping once, the scorpion was under the covers, and as he kept moving around, he ran into it three times. Eep!

Yeah, you guys are "high desert", I know. Some of Idaho and Nevada are, too, and where Paula built her house upon retirement as well. It's just the Eastern edge of the Sierras, so they get "dustings" and only real snow at certain times of the year. Enough for her to cross-country and run with her huskies, so she's happy. But when we drove to Idaho to see Jim's parents long ago, we used to pass through high desert. It's neat (but I wouldn't want to live there, thank you!).

Didn't button up at 35, eh? Eeep...we wouldn't want to go OUT at that temperature...hell, none of the three of us want to right NOW, and our daytime temps are almost invariable in the 50s. It gets down to freezing maybe three-four times a year, and I actually have to use my heated throws (terribly inconvenient!) in the Outback. Rest of the time quilt(s) are enough. That's one of the things I bless about living here...my Outback, which would be impossible in many parts of the country/world! I ADORE going to bed and listening to the wind and rain of a good storm.

What the hell, kiddo, you might as well enjoy the balmy weather. Nothin' we can do about it anyway, and you'll probably get more (OR humongous snowstorms!) in future.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Sunday, December 26, 2010 9:38 PM

Big fluffy down coat in 35 degree weather? Nah, don't need to button it up unless it's windy. The wind is always what'll get ya. Though to be fair, I was born and raised here. I'm a wimp by Colorado standards, but I probably have a higher tolerance for cold than a lot of people. My brother was born in Oregon and now lives out there in L.A. and he was complaining about the weather out here when it was about 60. I made so much fun of him. I have thought that it would be nice to live in California's climate, though. When I'm all wealthy and successful and can afford to move, perhaps.

I don't think the scorpions found here were nasty ones. Don't know much about the critters, since they're not native to the area, and I find them too creepy to read about in my free time. They said they were "common striped bark scorpions." Whatever they are, they shouldn't be here.
Armadillos are being spotted further north every year, as well. They're not as creepy as scorpions, but they still shouldn't be happy in northern climes.

Now, what is this Outback you're referring to? I assume it's not the Subaru Outback, and I know it's not the Australian Outback.


I do not need the written code of a spiritual belief to act like a decent human being

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Sunday, December 26, 2010 10:25 PM

Ahhh, these guys:

They're the most common scorpion in America (some say) and their sting is pretty much like a bee...can be painful for a couple of days but usually passes in a few hours.

We had so many kinds in Afghanistan, I don't know which was which. Some were very venomous, so I should have said IN KABUL we only encountered the big yellow guys. I won't disgust you by putting up a picture ;o).

What a I call my "Outback"--and it IS named after the Aussie outback, since that's what it MEANS--is where I sleep. It's a pavillion-like thingy (they sell them for Summer use, canvas-topped with metal frame) with a bed and table inside. I slept ouside one hot night 8 or 9 years ago, and adored it, so I built my own with plastic sheeting and wood. It was pretty screwey, and Jim and Jo would laugh at me as I wrestled with it in wind storms, but it was just too wonderful to let the storms win! A few years ago Jim bought me one of the "real" ones, about 10' by 10' and I put clear plastic sheeting on it for winter. It has a secondary "bed" alongside mine, for the huskies (who adore it out there and spend a lot of daytime out there)...trouble is they prefer my bed, so it gets kinda cramped!

I've only slept indoors a couple of times since that first night...when my last dog was too sick, tho' she'd still hobble up and go out there if I didn't block off the doorway. Otherwise, I'll be heading out there until I'm too old to wobble...I've even slept out there when I'm sick, I love it so much.

The fresh air, cold fresh air in Winter, less stuffy temps than indoors on hot summer nights; the sounds of the crickets (and the tiny waterfall right next to it in the pond I built); rain on the roof, wind, owls at night up in the redwoods (it's RIGHT next to the redwood canopy of our tiny redwood "grove"), I wouldn't give it up for the world.

I haven't taken photos in years, but here's a couple:


The outside, as seen from the house


The inside, several years ago when I still had Punkin, my "outside" bunny


My double bed (it sticks out about three feet from the edge of the canvas top, so I can see the moon and the stars


The pond I built right next to the Outback...the white fence is where the Outback starts. The steps you see go to Jim's hot tub, the next level up under the redwoods. We got it pretty "whipped" in many ways!

That's my Outback, to answer your question. ;o)

By the way, I really like your signature...pretty much says how I feel; I'm buddhist partly because the concept is we don't need a "god", if we learn self-awareness and AWARENESS, we can KNOW how "to act like a decent human being without outside influences. We don't have a "written code", only parables, the life of Buddha and what he learned, and our own sense of responsibility to being true to ourselves. Much like what you wrote.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Sunday, December 26, 2010 10:40 PM

Ah, thanks very much. There's no way you'd get away with that setup here, even with the above-average winter. It definitely freezes at night.

I actually can't take all the credit for my signature. I agree with it 100% of course, but it comes from a character in the Dresden Files. Probably one of my favorite characters in a series that I adore; an Agnostic Knight of the Cross. Yeah. He's a soldier of God who doesn't adhere to any religious code. He actually starts off saying he's an Atheist, and amends it to Agnostic after a couple philosophical exchanges. He's awesome.


I do not need the written code of a spiritual belief to act like a decent human being

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Sunday, December 26, 2010 11:59 PM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
There's nothing about moderate weather in there at all, it's all about severe weather, unusual weather, that sort of thing.

Fair enough.

Does this mean, though, that when we have average, moderate weather, CO2 is NOT to blame? I don't think that is what it means.

How much average, moderate weather do we have vs. extreme and unusual weather? Let's say we have 95% normal weather and 5% extreme/unusual weather. Then next year, we have 90% normal weather and 10% extreme/unusual weather. The way that is interpreted is, "Look! CO2 is causing more extreme unusual weather!" It isn't interpreted as "Look! Most of the time, CO2 isn't doing anything at all!"

Normal weather is seen mostly as the background noise, insignificant baseline data. Lack of extreme and unusual weather doesn't do anything to falsify the GW/CC theory.

I am concerned, because science is all about falsifiability. Religion is all about finding confirmation of one's beliefs, no matter what happens.

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Monday, December 27, 2010 12:04 AM

Another Ice Age: Since the 1940s the global temperature has dropped 2.7° F
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,944914,00.html

BRITAIN’S winter is the coldest since 1683 and close to being the chilliest in nearly 1,000 years.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/169577/Winter-may-be-coldest-in-1
000-years
/

Snow in the desert: Now the U.S. West Coast is hit by storms as blizzards, hurricane-strength winds and heavy rain shut roads and cut power
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343007/The-weather-Its-prickly-subje
ct-Now-U-S-West-Coast-hit-snow-storms-heavy-rain.html



The Sun...it's that giant fiery ball in the sky. But that isn't important right now?

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Monday, December 27, 2010 1:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
What's amusing is that you just MADE exactly the argument FOR "global warming", which is actually "climate change" and which ACTUALLY heralds unusually severe weather and weather in places where it doesn't normally happen. A rise in GLOBAL temperatures shifts climate change, doesn't mean just "extra warm".


That argument was invented after 2000 to explain why Global Warming is not actually happening.

In truth Global Warming aka Climate Change has been around throughout human history. Ancient man would make up stories to explain rain, drought, snow, thunder, the sun, then moon, etc. Global warming is your God, invented to explain nature...

When you build your temple remember Global Warming likes marble and gold and the blood of chickens.

As I've noted before...sometimes it snows, sometimes it don't, sometimes it rains, sometimes it don't, sometimes its warm, sometimes it ain't, and its all cyclical.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I would rather not ignore your contributions." Niki2, 2010.

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Monday, December 27, 2010 5:27 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:

When you build your temple remember Global Warming likes marble and gold and the blood of chickens.




Remember to crucify a few folks, too. Especially the ones claiming to be god. Deicide is always good for a laugh.

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Monday, December 27, 2010 5:44 PM

CTTS: Did you ever consider that scientists started finding abnormalities and searched for the cause, and that’s how they found global warming? I don’t know that much about it’s beginnings, but I think that JUST might be a possibility, given how scientists work. I don’t think they started out “Hey, there’s too much CO2 in the air, it must be fucking up SOMETHING...let’s find out what”.

Well, I’m wrong, apparently:

Quote:

The global warming hypothesis originated in 1896 when Svante Arrhenius, a Swedish chemist, developed the theory that carbon dioxide emissions from the burning of fossil fuels would cause global temperatures to rise by trapping excess heat in the earth’s atmosphere.

In 1988, the United Nations Environment Program and the World Meteorological Organization established the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), comprising more than two thousand scientists responsible for studying global warming’s potential impact on climate. According to the IPCC, the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide has increased by 31 percent, methane by 151 percent, and nitrous oxide by 17 percent since 1750. Over the twentieth century, the IPCC believes that global temperatures increased close to 0.5 degree Centigrade (C), the largest increase of any century during the past one thousand years. The 1990s, according to IPCC data, was the warmest decade recorded in the Northern Hemisphere since records were first taken in 1861, with 1998 the warmest year ever recorded.

Excerpts from http://www.enotes.com/global-warming-article/

I’m not 100% sold on global warming, given the earth’s climate has changed dramatically over millions of years. Let’s say I believe it more than I disbelieve it, given evidence and, to me, common sense. Since we’ve affected the oceans so much—-the next biggest thing I can think of to the air---I find it not impossible we may be changing the air in more ways than just what's visible. Only time will tell. I also put some “faith” in man’s ability to deny his rffects on the world until they become impossible to deny, and given commerce, politics, governments and regular people are loathe to change from fossil fuels, that increases my belief that any scientific facts would make us seek other options, unless we were faced with something too obvious to ignore. By the time that happens, I think it would be too late. But that’s just my opinion.

I don’t want to get into a heavy discussion on global warming, there’s far too much pro and con, so it could go on forever...and we’ve done it already.

As to moderate vs. extreme weather, I can’t find anything. All I CAN find is that weather has become more extreme faster over time, with heat records broken enormously in recent times:


Quote:

A year of deadly record-smashing weather extremes from Nashville to Moscow, from the Amazon to Pakistan, ended with staggering deluges from California — “Rainfall records weren’t just broken, they were obliterated” — to Australia:

More than a year's rain fell in Carnarvon in just 24 hours this week. A monsoonal low hovering over the Gascoyne dumped a 24-hour record 204.8mm, smashing the previous record of 119.4mm set on March 24, 1923.

NASA reported that it was the hottest ‘meteorological year’ [December to November] on record and likely to be the hottest calendar year.

Meteorologist and former NOAA Hurricane hunter Dr. Jeff Masters reported, “The year 2010 now has the most national extreme heat records for a single year–-nineteen. These nations comprise 20% of the total land area of Earth. This is the largest area of Earth’s surface to experience all-time record high temperatures in any single year in the historical record.”

http://climateprogress.org/category/extreme-weather/

Certainly cyclical climate change has happened throughout history, long before us. Maybe it is just cyclic, but I don’t think anyone sees global warming as their “god”, and there’s a huge d

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Monday, December 27, 2010 5:59 PM

Britains coldest winter in history?
No,
1963 was worse and 1947 was worse than that, the difference is that "global warming" had'nt been invented (yes, I mean invented) and people (far fewer anyway) were'nt traveling by air. So apart from the inconvenience caused to those trying to get out of the country for Christmas, most of us over here are saying a big "Meh".
A far bigger problem is the hiking of fuel bills by the Gas and petrol corporations, but thats another story.

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