Kaylee's Love Life
POSTED BY: Toadsmoothy
UPDATED: Friday, December 17, 2010 03:38
VIEWED: 7719
PAGE 2 of 2
Quote:
Originally posted by Toadsmoothy:
Am I the only one who thinks Simon is wrong for her?
It's been my experience that opposites do attract and can produce some impressive sparks but, over the long run, compatibility makes for the sound relationship. Simon and Kaylee have nothing in common. Their backgrounds, interests, socio-economic status, their future goals, all are totally different.
I disagree with you for a variety of reasons.
1. Kaylee and Simon actually have a great deal in common - they are both "fixers" (him, people and her machines). They are both intensely compassionate people, both family-oriented, and both very giving, each in their way. Those are core qualities (and core values) that go beyond hobbies or other such interests. They are very compatible for each other, personality-wise.
2. As far as Simon wanting off the ship, there was another convo about this and how the fact that Simon is undergoing some culture shock is a bit of a hindrance up front, but Simon IS adapting, clearly throughout the series and film, and he is also learning to see the bright side of his new life, and he makes clear he thinks Kaylee is the best part of his new life. Kaylee is instrumental in helping Simon adjust, because frankly, he probably CAN'T go back, and he's learning to accept that.
Kaylee, I think, does not get enough credit for seeing the truth in people, and for being drawn to those good qualities. Take with Tracey, she was obviously drawn to him at first when she thought he was doing all he was for his family - note how she warms to him then. Kaylee likes people who are kind, selfless, and possess genuine courage and she sees those qualities in Simon which are what carries her past her "ooh shiny rich guy" initial attraction. Again, she's obviously going after something she knows is a good thing, fundamentally, and not just a shiny distraction, and its pretty patronizing to suggest Kaylee doesn't really know what she wants or needs. And knowing Kaylee, she's be the first person to tell you that, probably not in a very cheerful way.
Quote:
Kaylee's life was that ship and it was repeatedly made abundantly clear he had no respect for it. As she said to his face: "If you don't think much of this life you must not think much of them that choose it."
You totally misread that scene. Simon was VENTING, because his life was in the shiatter, he'd lost everything he'd ever had, known, or worked for, and the Captain had been harassing him all morning. It was pretty obvious it was not Kaylee he was putting down (or not intentionally) but Kaylee is very sensitive and read it differently. Over and over again in the series you see Simon display his respect for Kaylee, his admiration for her, and for her talents with engines. He specifically brings it up more than once. So you're way off here.
He may not like his current way of life, but he doesn't look down on those that have it - that was Kaylee's sensitive, knee-jerk reaction to an admittedly insensitive comment (and he deserved to get called out, and I think he realized that). And as I said before, over the course of the series he's adapting and growing...and frankly so is Kaylee.
Quote:Actually that was a rare moment of uninhibited honesty. Simon is mostly focused on his sister and appears to make an active effort to not allow himself to get distracted, but Kaylee's breaking down those barriers, and this was a sign of that. As for her work, he compliments in in the pilot, watches her admiringly during Bushwhacked, and outright praises it for her again in the Message. So I don't know where you are getting that "he doesn't respect her work" thing from.
The closest he came to praising her work was during a drunken night in Canton and that was just the mudder's milk talkin'.
Quote:
Kaylee knows this relationship is hopelessly flawed.
I see no sign of that! ;p
Quote:
When they were alone in the room with the "alien" cow fetus Simon made it clear that the only reason he was interested inNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Jayne is an amusing character for me, but not necessarily an interesting one. I'm not a big fan of fanfics that make him a very deep of a character all of a sudden. Now, I think he could be a deep and interesting character, but it would have to be a gradual thing that happens over time. As is, Jayne likes women, money and guns, with guns probably being his favorite. It is nice seeing him gradually become more loyal to the crew and seeing them all become part of the family, but I see Jayne as tough, dumb, blunt and amusing and there is nothing wrong with that.
Don't ya think your being a little hard on Simon though? I mean, he just got there and is clearly having a difficult (and amusing) time adjusting. We can't be sure how Simon's really going to feel about his situation yet because he's still pretty new to it. The only thing we can be sure of is he will doctor anyone that needs it and is completely devoted to taking care of his sister. River likes Serenity, so they ain't likely leaving (again). 'Sides, who's to say he's even wants to want to return to his former life by the end of the BDM. I got the impression from the flash backs in safe, that Simon didn't exactly fit in with that crowd either. Maybe Simon's found something more valuable here on the raggedy edge than the embarrassingly large stacks of money he used to make. Since all of this is still rather new to Simon, it's hard to tell.
I would much prefer the Kaylee Simon couple to a Jayne Kaylee couple for entertainment if nothing else. You have all manner of potential for amusing fights between Simon and Kaylee. Simon's bound to say something stupid, or Kaylee could crowd him so badly he has to escape occasionally and actually bonds with the other guys. You go Jayne and Kaylee and... what? An overdone lame romantic triangle? Then you have to give Jayne real feelings and that just isn't as fun. I like Jayne funny, crude, and irrationally smug and superior about everything he does. I don't think Jayne would survive a healthy relationship and still remain amusing.
Concerning Kaylee's view in all this, I'm really not sure. I tend to think of Kaylee as adorably optimistic and a mechanical genius. I'm not entirely sure of much more than that. She has an infatuation with the shiny core doctor, but will it last once she's had him? He may look shiny and rich, but he's got nothing to offer 'sides himself. Maybe not even that if he thinks his sister needs his attention more. Still, as has been said, Kaylee and Jayne have had a couple years longer than Kaylee and Simon have to get together and they aren't. (or maybe they have in the past?)
Concerning the class issue, you can't kill the Cinderella fantasy! The verse is already dark enough, don't take away the power of love to cross these social economic backgrounds. In a verse were the bad guys win the war and oppress good folk just tryin' to keep flyin' you have to have some kind of hope for something shiny, even if it's a frivolous notion called 'love.'
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by fearthebunnyman:Quote:
I disagree with you...
You totally misread that scene...
So you're way off here...
That's your take on it...
Yep. Everyone has their own opinions.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Toadsmoothy:Quote:
Originally posted by fearthebunnyman:Quote:
I disagree with you...
You totally misread that scene...
So you're way off here...
That's your take on it...
Yep. Everyone has their own opinions.
Which is why I made a point to back mine up with evidence from the show;)
But yes, I like Firefly b/c there's such a rich story and characters there, people get such different things out of it, which is fun.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
Jayne is an amusing character for me, but not necessarily an interesting one. I'm not a big fan of fanfics that make him a very deep of a character all of a sudden...
I'm not saying turn him into another Socrates. Just grow him enough morals so he loses the urge to sell out his friends for cash! hahaha
Quote:
It is nice seeing him gradually become more loyal to the crew and seeing them all become part of the family...
He still wants to turn the Tams off the boat, without the same hesitation Mal has. Difference? Mal has a sense of moral responsibility which, if Jayne does it is still rudimentary.
Quote:
but I see Jayne as tough, dumb, blunt and amusing and there is nothing wrong with that.
I really like Jayne! Actually, I'm more like Wash and guys like Jayne used to bully me at school, but I like him nonetheless! hahaha
Quote:
Don't ya think your being a little hard on Simon though?...
No. ...hahaha
I hope the Tams can enter a witness protection program where he can practice medicine and she can be crazy ad infinitum. hahaha I've never been able to warm to him and, as Jayne says, River "disturbs my calm."
Quote:
'Sides, who's to say he's even wants to want to return to his former life by the end of the BDM. I got the impression from the flash backs in safe, that Simon didn't exactly fit in with that crowd either.
Actually, examining the fu*ked-up relationship between the elder and younger Tams is the most interesting aspect of their story now.
Quote:
Maybe Simon's found something more valuable here on the raggedy edge...
eh, maybe. I guess I'm of the school of thought that people don't change, not essentially. He will always be a pampered rich boy at heart. Unless Joss convinces me otherwise.
Quote:
I would much prefer the Kaylee Simon couple to a Jayne Kaylee couple...
Perhaps you're right. I would rather see Kaylee in a relationship where she is appreciated by someone more like herself. I think she deserves to be happy. I know there's no drama in that but I'm neither a writer nor a critic.
Quote:
I don't think Jayne would survive a healthy relationship and still remain amusing.
Again, you're probably right. I guess I just see Jayne as this big lummox, old Jaye to everyone else, but doting on Kaylee like a schoolboy. I know that's lame.
Quote:
Kaylee and Jayne have had a couple years longer than Kaylee and Simon have to get together and they aren't...
Are we sure it's been that long? In the BDM she says it's been over a year since she's had sex not more, and I assume that refers to Serenity's first mechanic she did in the engine room. I'm not sure when in the timeline Jayne switched sides and joined the crew.
On Kaylee's intentions, I think she's just desperate for romance and has limited choices. When Tracey came on board she was ready to strip and mount him! The only reason Simon and Kaylee are together is because of these same limited choices.
Quote:
you have to have some kind of hope for something shiny, even if it's a frivolous notion called 'love.'
It's been my experience that love does not conquer all. Star-crossed lovers are surely as rare as Klingons in this 'Verse.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Are we sure it's been that long? In the BDM she says it's been over a year since she's had sex not more, and I assume that refers to Serenity's first mechanic she did in the engine room. I'm not sure when in the timeline Jayne switched sides and joined the crew.
I was under the impression that the BDM happened 2 months after 'Objects in Space' and I thought the flashbacks showed Kaylee at lease a few years ago, but I don't remember that well. And besides, this is free spirited Kaylee. I'm sure she's gotten some on shore leave before, probably hasn't since the series started on account of the Tams making everything a mite more dangerous and/or her infatuation with the young doctor.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Let's hear it for Mal/Kaylee. They both love Serenity and both want to stay out in the Black forever. Mal and Inara do NOTHING but hurt and insult each other. Simon never wants to hurt Kaylee's feelings, he just completely fails to understand her, and she completely fails to cut him any slack.
Mal is NOT Kaylee's father or older brother--at the time of the series, I figure she's about 19 and he's about 32.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by shinyseven2:
Let's hear it for Mal/Kaylee...
"Now something about that is just downright unsettling."
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
...And besides, this is free spirited Kaylee. I'm sure she's gotten some on shore leave before...
haha Yeah, I caught her and Book having it off behind some crates at Eastdown Docks!
...and all he gave her for the privilege is some strawberries! hahaha
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME