The Christian Left

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CANTTAKESKY

Friday, December 3, 2010 1:47 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I don't know if you missed this one, but mandatory private insurance is what the the democrats just passed back here,

I think the democrats might say they only passed it because the republicans wouldn't let them pass anything else.

But yes, that is why I put it on the list. I am left of that bill for sure.

And yes, Ron Paul's a good match for me. The only thing I disagree with him on is immigration.

I'm all about open borders (a la Ellis Island), baby. And birthright citizenship. How's that for left? :)

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You're pretty solidly to the right of me, so it's not very left.

You're not a Christian, so you don't count as a measuring stick on this thread. :P

--Can't Take (my gorram) Sky

DREAMTROVE

Friday, December 3, 2010 3:15 AM

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I don't know if you missed this one, but mandatory private insurance is what the the democrats just passed back here,
I think the democrats might say they only passed it because the republicans wouldn't let them pass anything else.

But yes, that is why I put it on the list. I am left of that bill for sure.

And yes, Ron Paul's a good match for me. The only thing I disagree with him on is immigration.

I'm all about open borders (a la Ellis Island), baby. And birthright citizenship. How's that for left? :)

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You're pretty solidly to the right of me, so it's not very left.
You're not a Christian, so you don't count as a measuring stick on this thread. :P

--Can't Take (my gorram) Sky

Okay,

First, they *could* have passed the public option, but Harry Reid said it would be immoral to force the vote using reconciliation, only to then turn right around and use it on the very next bill, which was the forced insurance.

This was an internal-democrat dispute.

I'm not sure the democrats could as left

Ron Paul is on the immigration thing? What a shame. The last thing I heard from him on it was that Americans should move to Peru, I guess you're a pretty good match for him.

I think it's unfortunate that people are falling for this totalitarian close the borders xenophobia. It shows how intensely retarded we are. First: Keep everyone out is a policy of keep everyone in. Second: Who cares who comes in? I mean really. You can't live on the same 2 million square miles with another mexican? what about the 45 million latinos that are American citizens? It's insane.

Today I came up with this radical notion: Abolish citizenship. America could be a nomansland. Anyone could be here, work here, etc. It wouldn't matter where they were from.

Think about it. It's sort of how we work anyway. What makes me a New Yorker? I'm not from here. I wasn't born here, I didn't even go to school here. I've lived here many many years, but I was a Kentuckian. I can be one again. If I live somewhere, I pay property tax there, if I work somewhere, I pay state income tax there. If I buy something, I pay sales tax there. But all of this is done without any New York citizenship. I don't see that it's at all necessary. At least, inside the US. Maybe when you travel, you need a passport. But really, it seems pointless. Nothing in the running of actual govt. requires citizenship.

NY has its own healthcare program which is already better than Obamacare. We pay for our own schools, there are universities everywhere, and we could do without this Federal Govt. anyway.

But wait a sec. If Arizona can set its own immigration policy... can we do the same in the other direction? We could be like New Zealand ;) A back door into America. Open immigration to NY. Then go wherever you want.

I was avoiding Sig's thread 'cause I think she's had a rough time and didn't want to argue about Mexico, but actually, I think we could be more like Mexico, it wouldn't be a bad thing. We need to be less paranoid, and we need to be less egotistical about this nation. It's a nice piece of land, that which hasn't been fracked, and it has some nice people. It has a lousy govt, and it is as someone just said, falling way behind.

ANTHONYT

Friday, December 3, 2010 3:46 PM

"I was avoiding Sig's thread 'cause I think she's had a rough time and didn't want to argue about Mexico, but actually, I think we could be more like Mexico, it wouldn't be a bad thing. We need to be less paranoid, and we need to be less egotistical about this nation. It's a nice piece of land, that which hasn't been fracked, and it has some nice people. It has a lousy govt, and it is as someone just said, falling way behind."

Hello,

I wouldn't want to be more like Mexico. We have already acquired the best part of Mexican culture through Mexican-Americans. I'd rather be a better U.S.

--Anthony

Assured by friends that the signal-to-noise ratio has improved on this forum, I have disabled web filtering.

DREAMTROVE

Friday, December 3, 2010 6:13 PM

Anthony

Yes, I didn't expect it to be a majority opinion, but Mexico it's spending 90% of its tax revenue on a pointless war in the middle east. I can think of better models for a country than Mexico, but I can also think of worse ones. I have little hope that the US will reform and become something better than it is. Culturally, maybe, but not as a govt.

CANTTAKESKY

Friday, December 3, 2010 6:17 PM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I'd rather be a better U.S.

Me too.

If it ever happens, let me know. I'll come back.

--Can't Take (my gorram) Sky

NIKI2

Friday, December 3, 2010 6:46 PM

Cat, I don’t think I ever indicated I was AFRAID of Christians or Christianity. I’ve known many, and many really good ones; I guess for me it’s those who seek power over others who piss me off, and they only “scare” me in that if they got the power they want, they’d use it to control people (as in legislation). But I’m not “afraid” of Christianity in any way. So I’m not sure what you mean. Maybe it's a snark, but if so, I missed it.

By the way, I’m quite happy to let anyone believe whatever they do in peace. I’ve not HAD “peace” from some proselytizing Christians, some prejudiced (usually Born-Againers), or the Mormon clergy (long story), but it’s not what they BELIEVE that bothers me, it’s that they can’t let me believe what I do, and sometimes get aggressive about it.

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If they'd actually passed the public option, I don't think there would have been many unhappy people.

To me the more accurate statement would be “Dems wanted the public option, they caved to Republican obstructionism and ended up passing a bad bill”. I don’t think the public option was an “if”; I don’t think it ever had a chance in hell, but I’m pretty convinced it’s what the Dems WANTED. (Ooops, I see CTTS made my point in the very next post.)

Okay, I agree with DT as to Mexico in these respects:

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We need to be less paranoid, and we need to be less egotistical about this nation

I imagine there are aspects of EVERY country we could learn from, as far as that’s concerned. I know it’s not what the thread is about, but it’s valid nonetheless.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off