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Janet Napolitano

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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 3:30 PM

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Originally posted by Righteous9:


More implications of these scans...



Joe Lieberman makes a stand...on the wrong side of the issue as usual.



He's a Zionist jew. These are jewish naked body scanners from Israel, owned by Cheroff Group, run by Israeli Mossad director of US Dept of Homeland Security Michael "Son Of The Devil" Chertoff.


Naked body scanners brought to you by SATAN

Jew Adrea Mitchell in that same interview is the Top Secret wife of Sir Alan Greenspan Kosher Knight of the British Empire at Bohemian Grove nudist snuff kiddie porn resort, chairman of the private "Federal" Reserve Bank (who ordered the 9/11 terror massacres as cover for their bank robberies) before his promotion to working directly for the German Nazi queen of England and the kosher Bank of London.


Mr Andrea Mitchell counterfeiting kingpin of planet Earth

BTW, tampons in vaginas look like dynomite in vaginas on TSA naked body scanners...

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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 5:05 PM

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
This is a PDF, so I can't copy and paste. But it details radiation concerns from the faculty of U of California, SF. Very clearly and intelligently stated.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/ucsf-jph
-letter.pdf





When I heard about this new security procedure my only real concern was over the safety of these machines (and child pat downs ). There are 2 different kinds of machines, the nytimes listed them in an article I can't find, but the one most used is back scatter type listed in that pdf, and that thing is very damning. If I flew a lot I would opt out every single time.

As to our civil rights being violated, people who believe that seem just a tad short sighted to me - are we forgetting how we got here?

I think it went something like this:

Last century bombs on planes = metal detectors in airports
then shoe bombs = "take off your shoes"
underwear bomber = x-ray and junk checkers, how else you gonna check? Pretty soon they'll be swallowing bombs like dope mules.

"Terrorists have won!" That implies there's an end to the game. The game never ends, it's more accurate to talk about points. The terrorists scored a trideccazillion points 9/11 - they circled the bases like 50 times. They also encouraged a lot of people who were sitting on the sidelines to get up and play on their side. Didn't we just have a 9/11 commission say that we were too complacent and that we should have taken better steps to prevent that event? If anyone really thinks things should be like they were pre-9/11 I'm afraid you're just repeating our old bad habits of denial, "no one's gonna fly a plane into a building, nah, never happen, you're being paranoid!"

I fly maybe once every 3 years, and when I do I agree completely with John Pistole, head of the TSA:

Mr. Pistole said that while “reasonable people can disagree as to what that proper balance or blend is between privacy and security safety,” he believed that “everybody who gets on a flight wants to be reassured that everybody else around them has been properly screened.” Isn't that what everyone wants?

So what else you got if you don't like this? What's your security solution?

(and if you are of the opinion that these "bombers" were set-up by TPTB so they could sell xray scanners, then we are really and truly screwed and haven't got a chance, welcome to PN Nation).

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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 5:53 PM

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
So what else you got if you don't like this? What's your security solution?

What do the Israelis do? It's not like THEY don't have serious bomb threats. Yet they handle security without health risks and sexual assaults. They don't waste taxpayer money with useless and possibly dangerous technology. The last security breach they had was 8 years ago. Despite our many, many intrusive and annoying procedures, we have one every...what...6 months (pulling that number out of my ass, but whatever it is, it is much less than 8 years).

I posted a link already, but it appears no one actually went to read it. So here it is again.
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/744199---israelification-hig
h-security-little-bother


Here is another one.
http://securitysolutions.com/news/security_exposing_hostile_intent/

If we were serious about security as opposed to being serious about oppression and obedience, we would revamp our whole system.

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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:25 PM

Well, CTTS, given I often post long quotes, and my posts are long anyway, I think that link deserves to be put up, in case people might read it rather than going to the link. I think it's EXCELLENT!

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While North America's airports groan under the weight of another sea-change in security protocols, one word keeps popping out of the mouths of experts: Israelification.

That is, how can we make our airports more like Israel's, which deal with far greater terror threat with far less inconvenience.

"It is mindboggling for us Israelis to look at what happens in North America, because we went through this 50 years ago," said Rafi Sela, the president of AR Challenges, a global transportation security consultancy. He's worked with the RCMP, the U.S. Navy Seals and airports around the world.

"Israelis, unlike Canadians and Americans, don't take s--- from anybody. When the security agency in Israel (the ISA) started to tighten security and we had to wait in line for — not for hours — but 30 or 40 minutes, all hell broke loose here. We said, 'We're not going to do this. You're going to find a way that will take care of security without touching the efficiency of the airport."

That, in a nutshell is "Israelification" - a system that protects life and limb without annoying you to death.

Fliers urged to opt out of airport security en masse

Despite facing dozens of potential threats each day, the security set-up at Israel's largest hub, Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion Airport, has not been breached since 2002, when a passenger mistakenly carried a handgun onto a flight. How do they manage that?

"The first thing you do is to look at who is coming into your airport," said Sela.

The first layer of actual security that greets travellers at Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion International Airport is a roadside check. All drivers are stopped and asked two questions: How are you? Where are you coming from?

"Two benign questions. The questions aren't important. The way people act when they answer them is," Sela said.

Officers are looking for nervousness or other signs of "distress" — behavioural profiling. Sela rejects the argument that profiling is discriminatory.

"The word 'profiling' is a political invention by people who don't want to do security," he said. "To us, it doesn't matter if he's black, white, young or old. It's just his behaviour. So what kind of privacy am I really stepping on when I'm doing this?"

Once you've parked your car or gotten off your bus, you pass through the second and third security perimeters.

Armed guards outside the terminal are trained to observe passengers as they move toward the doors, again looking for odd behaviour. At Ben Gurion's half-dozen entrances, another layer of security are watching. At this point, some travellers will be randomly taken aside, and their person and their luggage run through a magnometer.

"This is to see that you don't have heavy metals on you or something that looks suspicious," said Sela.

You are now in the terminal. As you approach your airline check-in desk, a trained interviewer takes your passport and ticket. They ask a series of questions: Who packed your luggage? Has it left your side?

"The whole time, they are looking into your eyes — which is very embarrassing. But this is one of the ways they figure out if you are suspicious or not. It takes 20, 25 seconds," said Sela.

Lines are staggered. People are not allowed to bunch up into inviting targets for a bomber who has gotten this far.

At the check-in desk, your luggage is scanned immediately in a purpose-built area. Sela plays devil's advocate — what if you have escaped the attention of the first four layers of security, and now try to pass a bag with a bomb in it?

"I once put this question to Jacques Duchesneau (the former head of the Canadian Air Transport Security Authority): say there is a bag with play-doh in it and two pens stuck in the play-doh. That is 'Bombs 101' to a screener. I asked Ducheneau, 'What would you do?' And he said,

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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:57 PM

Hard to argue with their success rate, and they make a lot of good points, "check baggage, more effort on finding the bad guys first."
There are some things that make it difficult to copy Israel's approach, from the second article:

“I would love to model Logan after Ben Gurion,” Robbins says. “But with 25 million passengers, we can’t talk to everyone. If we tried, it would cause gridlock.”

And that's just Logan.

"Since Robbins' troopers cannot talk to everyone, they have to pick and choose. How they pick and choose is the subject of a Constitutional debate - Racial Profiling Vs. Behavior Pattern Recognition." That's a potential rats nest.

Here's the thing: if people have such little faith in the TSA and their agents now, then why would they suddenly have faith in them to perform these behavior pattern recognition BPR tests? And even with it, it's still just one part of the process at Logan.

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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 8:26 PM

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Here's the thing: if people have such little faith in the TSA and their agents now, then why would they suddenly have faith in them to perform these behavior pattern recognition BPR tests? And even with it, it's still just one part of the process at Logan.

Uh.. because they would be different people?

Right now, the only requirements for a TSA Airport Security officer are to be a US citizen, have a GED, have a clean background check, speak English, be able to walk and lift weight, and one year experience in security/x-ray technician fields. This is only a slightly higher standard than the requirement for working at Taco Bell.

http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=91534702&JobTitle=Transpo
rtation+Security+Officer+%28TSO%29&q=transportation+security+officer&sort=rv%2c-dtex&cn=&rad_units=miles&brd=3876&pp=50&jbf574=HSBC&vw=b&re=134&FedEmp=N&FedPub=Y&caller=basic.aspx&ss=0&AVSDM=2010-10-18+12%3a13%3a00


If we used a behavioral profiling system, you would be looking for people with more skills and training them with different skills. I can't imagine that you would trust behavioral profiling to simply any able-bodied high school graduate who can speak English and have one year experience following orders.

The point is, though, it is a whole different mindset--a whole different way of looking at the same problem. Instead of an authoritarian mindset of people-must-do-as-we-say-or-everyone-will-die, it is a mindset of we-cannot-let-terrorism-cripple-our-lives. We will run business as usual, and let security for terrorism interfere as little with it as possible.

If the Israelis wanted to secure Logan, don't you think they would be able to find a way within the core philosophy and practices of their system? Of course they can. And if they can, we can too.

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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 8:54 PM

Okay, good point, Pizmo. I agree. But I also agree with CTTS in that surely there MUST be a better way, and maybe if we asked the Israelis, they could help us ocme up with something. Just a thought...


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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 8:57 PM


Hello,

I often wonder about a different world.

What if planes were flying again by 9/13/01?

What if construction on replacement identical towers began on 9/11/02?

What if we still wore shoes at airport screenings after 12/22/01?

What if we didn't attack any countries in 10/07/01?

What if we didn't create the Patriot Act, or the Department of Homeland Security?

What if we didn't X-ray passengers or caress their genitalia?

What if, after the catastrophic loss of life and the destruction of property caused by the Terrorist attacks...

We just yawned and got back to work?

Would America be destroyed now? Did we save it by becoming a hysterical people obsessed with Terrorism? Did all our fears and commotion and wars and reduction of civil liberties culminate in heroically saving America? Are we all heroes?

Or is it possible that we did all that stuff for negligible benefit, when all the money, blood, and tangible intangibles are accounted for?

--Anthony

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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 10:39 PM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Or is it possible that we did all that stuff for negligible benefit, when all the money, blood, and tangible intangibles are accounted for?

It wasn't just negligible benefit. We actually made things worse.

Reinactment:

Oh no there's a leak in this giant dam! Let me just close that by beating it with a sledgehammer...

Wait? What's with all this water? Bring in the wreaking ball!

*gurgle... blurb*

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hmm-burble-blah, blah-blah-blah, take a left

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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:32 PM

Ditto Mal4.

It would be a very different world, in my opinion, Anthony. A far better one.


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