Janet Napolitano
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 20:24
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Just read an interesting article on how Israel handles the security question: behavior profiling and lots of bomb-proof glass.
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/744199---israelification-hig
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CTTS, I'm glad you clarified that. Where do you live? If you mentioned, I forget. As to New Zealand, well, they hven't exactly been the target of much terrorism, have they? Nor are they reminded daily that they ARE the main target...would that it were so for us.
I don't think those who get a kick out of the scanning process would necessarily gravitate toward being a security person. For one, some of them wouldn't make it, since if they're THAT hot on it, they've probably already been arrested at least once. Second, after a few thousand fat or wrinkled or whatever bodies, I think it would wear off. JMHO.
Raptor, I agree completely. It's horrendous and tho' I'm not sure what alternatives there are, one needs to be found.
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Originally posted by canttakesky:
You don't think pedophiles and frotteurs and voyeurs are making a beeline for these TSA jobs? Certain jobs attract certain folks. Those who detest it will likely change jobs, to eventually be replaced by those who enjoy it.
Yup, just the same way the priesthood attracts pedophiles. But to be honest, the job of "clown" seems to attract 'em, too. As do the ice cream man and the Boy Scout troop leader gigs...
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Originally posted by mal4prez:Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
If you don't want to be felt up, then go through the machine. What's the big deal?
The big deal is that *I* own the right to take nude photos of myself, the fucking government does not.
Second, these scanners come up with false positives all the time and you might very well end up with some stranger touching your junk anyway. How in the hell did it suddenly become all right for security people to be touching folks everywhere and even looking into women's panties? (According to a comment here: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/15/the-full-body-back
lash/#more-3551)
I'm mad as hell over this. If I could manage it at all, I'd take buses or trains, and never fly again. But I have a few work trips coming up, one of them with students. I will have to get on that plane, so I'll have no choice but to have my privacy violated. Talk about government mandates. To live in this modern world of travel, you have to hand over your body to The Man.
And to say that Bush wouldn't be all for this is ridiculous. Of course he would. He was all about giving rights up out of fear. And Lieberman - absolute BS. As soon as we start believing that we have to give up our rights in order to be safe against something that is statistically insignificant, the terrorist's job is done. Yeah, Osama won all right. And you know who else won? The companies who got millions in govt contracts building these useless, invasive fucking scanners.
I took a flight that stayed within New Zealand a few years ago. I got on the flight with nothing but a quick scan of my carry-on, and I even carried a coffee. The sanity of it all was nearly overwhelming. Anyone who thinks that we don't live in a police state should go visit a foreign country.
Oh, but that would involve getting photographed naked and groped first.
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You win the internet with that post! That was just perfection.
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Originally posted by Niki2:
I don't think those who get a kick out of the scanning process would necessarily gravitate toward being a security person. For one, some of them wouldn't make it, since if they're THAT hot on it, they've probably already been arrested at least once. Second, after a few thousand fat or wrinkled or whatever bodies, I think it would wear off. JMHO.
That's not the point. I don't care if TPTB write a 1000 page document swearing as to the safe, careful use of my image. It's my body, and I have the right to not hand it over when I don't want to. Does that mean I have to live as a hermit and not use my own hard earned money on a plane ticket? Apparently so. Apparently I have no right to live in this modern world and make my own choices about my body.
BTW, I am just as horrified by the complaints about how these security workers are... well, insert classist, elitist statements here. (It certainly isn't you saying this Niki, but comments I've read on other sites.) It's not about distrust of workers. It's about the freedoms that are falling away from us, one at a time. And we're letting it happen.
I think there ought to be a protest day when every traveler strips bare fucking naked before they go into those scanners. Because that's the truth of what it is. Let's just be honest.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
You win the internet with that post!
Woo-hoo! Do I get anything? A chocolate doughnut at least?
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Originally posted by mal4prez:
I think there ought to be a protest day when every traveler strips bare fucking naked before they go into those scanners.
Next Wednesday is National Opt Out Day.
http://www.opednews.com/Diary/Wednesday-November-24-20-by-101115-349.h
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And here's a semi nude airport protest in Germany
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Originally posted by Niki2:
As to New Zealand, well, they hven't exactly been the target of much terrorism, have they?
That's why I posted that article on Israeli screening. Now no one can say they are in a low risk situation. :)
I'm in Peru.
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Quote:Yay! I know about opt out day, but I didn't know about naked protests. There needs to be more.
Originally posted by canttakesky:
Next Wednesday is National Opt Out Day.
http://www.opednews.com/Diary/Wednesday-November-24-20-by-101115-349.h
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And here's a semi nude airport protest in Germany
Seriously, if I wasn't completely dependent on a job I'd lose in 2 seconds for attracting press attention, I'd strip down to make the point. Sometimes, I do miss being an unencumbered college student who could do shit like this...
I guess that's weird? Hey, I've gone clothes-less in the Caribbean for days. It's not the being naked that bothers me as much as the having no choice about it.
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This is a PDF, so I can't copy and paste. But it details radiation concerns from the faculty of U of California, SF. Very clearly and intelligently stated.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/ucsf-jph
-letter.pdf
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