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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 4:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
If you don't want to be felt up then go through the machine. What's the big deal?

Radiation. And near naked pictures of my kids that would violate child porn laws anywhere else.

Pilots concerned about radiation:
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/11/11/pilots.body.scanning/index.ht
ml?hpt=Sbin


Parents concerned about child porn violations:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jan/04/new-scanners-child-porn
-laws


I just tweeted @cnn and @whitehouse: Mr. President: Would you send Michelle/Sasha/Malia through TSA screening? Naked pics or groping?




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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 6:41 PM

And that's the standard ... would Barry want his girls put in that situation? Groped or scanned, for some TSA agent's cheap thrill. Pick one .




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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:07 PM



More implications of these scans...



Joe Lieberman makes a stand...on the wrong side of the issue as usual.

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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:15 PM

Okay, my response:

Quote:

would Barry want his girls put in that situation? Groped or scanned, for some TSA agent's cheap thrill
I can't help but wonder of Bush would have been just as quick to defend the tactic.

Second, I have to look at it from the TSA agent's point of view. They are under orders to do it just as we are under requirement to put up with it...does that automatically mean they enjoy it?? I sure as hell wouldn't if I were one, and I'm betting that a good proportion of them (in fact MOST: once you've seen/felt a few thousand people, you REALLY think there's a thrill in it?) hate it as much as we do.

Don't get me wrong; I think it's horrific and wrong, I don't think it does a damned thing for "security" per se and is the equivalent of "when I see someone in Muslim garb when I get on a plane, it makes me nervous". The odds on anyone having anything on their person that could be detected, or that a terrorist would dress in Muslim garb, are equally specious, in my opinion.

This should not be. But to put it on Obama, given Bush was quite happy with the ignonimy of subjecting people to waterboarding, wiretapping, and what happened at places like Abu Ghraib (which wasn't alone, from what's come out, just the only place photos were taken--and I don't believe Bush was unaware of it), I don't think he'd have any more problem with these tactics than he had with the others.

We can't know; I do think it's another case of "be afraid, be very afraid", added to trying to make people feel safer flying to keep profits up. But that anyone ENJOYS it, or that Obama is to blame for it, is stupid in my opinion. Not saying Raptor is stupid, just that it's a stupid comment.


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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:16 PM

Well, clearly, it's a choice between being molested or dying.

Cause if you don't feel up your kids or take pictures of them "naked," someone will DIE.

You'll let your kids be filmed naked or molested to keep people from DYING, won't you?

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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:22 PM

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Posted by Rappy:

This is GOVERNMENT. The very folks some think can save our planet and give us FANTASTIC healthcare.



The very folks who SOME think can "save" Iraq and give us FANTASTIC security, too.

Funny that so many who were all for wireless wiretaps ("No crimes were committed! No laws were broken!") and the Patriot Act now fall all over themselves at THIS infraction of their liberties.

"I told you so" doesn't quite seem to do it justice...

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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:25 PM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
But to put it on Obama,

I would have posed the question to anyone in the office of the Presidency. So it is not a personal attack on Obama vs. some other president. It is a question of fairness and the absence of double standards. If he supports the policy, he should subject his family to the same indignities and health risks we have to endure. If he doesn't support it, then we would appreciate his speaking up for the rest of us.

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But that anyone ENJOYS it, or that Obama is to blame for it, is stupid in my opinion. Not saying Raptor is stupid, just that it's a stupid comment.
You don't think pedophiles and frotteurs and voyeurs are making a beeline for these TSA jobs? Certain jobs attract certain folks. Those who detest it will likely change jobs, to eventually be replaced by those who enjoy it.

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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 10:30 PM


I'm only half kidding about the TSAr agents 'liking' the feeling up or peeking the unclothed bodies of passenger, regardless of age or sex....

That's not the point. The entire CONCEPT that we can scan folks like this, instead of profiling, like other countries do, is flat out moronic.

ALL Americans need to stand up and get this either over turned, or force airports to go to private security, and opt out of the Alliance ...err.. Federal intrusions.


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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
If you don't want to be felt up, then go through the machine. What's the big deal?


The big deal is that *I* own the right to take nude photos of myself, the fucking government does not.

Second, these scanners come up with false positives all the time and you might very well end up with some stranger touching your junk anyway. How in the hell did it suddenly become all right for security people to be touching folks everywhere and even looking into women's panties? (According to a comment here: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/15/the-full-body-back
lash/#more-3551
)

I'm mad as hell over this. If I could manage it at all, I'd take buses or trains, and never fly again. But I have a few work trips coming up, one of them with students. I will have to get on that plane, so I'll have no choice but to have my privacy violated. Talk about government mandates. To live in this modern world of travel, you have to hand over your body to The Man.

And to say that Bush wouldn't be all for this is ridiculous. Of course he would. He was all about giving rights up out of fear. And Lieberman - absolute BS. As soon as we start believing that we have to give up our rights in order to be safe against something that is statistically insignificant, the terrorist's job is done. Yeah, Osama won all right. And you know who else won? The companies who got millions in govt contracts building these useless, invasive fucking scanners.

I took a flight that stayed within New Zealand a few years ago. I got on the flight with nothing but a quick scan of my carry-on, and I even carried a coffee. The sanity of it all was nearly overwhelming. Anyone who thinks that we don't live in a police state should go visit a foreign country.

Oh, but that would involve getting photographed naked and groped first.



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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 11:21 PM

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
Anyone who thinks that we don't live in a police state should go visit a foreign country.

Yup. It's part of the reason that I do live in a foreign country. A small part, but a part, nonetheless.

I can get on planes here without taking off shoes, while carrying on water for my kids, and going through a normal metal detector (those were the good old days, huh?).



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