Stop attacking Star Wars prequels? Here come the Sith

POSTED BY: Succatash
UPDATED: Monday, July 26, 2004 22:44
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SUCCATASH

Sunday, July 25, 2004 3:54 AM

Let's stop attacking Star Wars and George Lucas. For the sake of Serenity, plain and simple. We want to invite Star Wars fans to give Serenity a chance. However, most of us on this board bash their 'verse (especially the prequels) without mercy. We're not giving Revenge of the Sith a chance. We are not being fair.

If I came from Star Wars fandom to this site to learn about Firefly, I would leave. Everyone here is so negative about the "new" Star Wars and I think the end result is insulting to many SW fans and also detrimental to Serenity's bottom line financially. One of our goals should be to convert Star Wars fans. Driving them away won't help.

The fact is, both movies are coming out close together and the attitude of Us vs Them is not the correct strategy.

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

EMBERS

Sunday, July 25, 2004 4:17 AM

actually I don't know of any Star War fans who haven't done their own bashing of the prequels...

some are still optomistic about this last one
(God knows why they would be)
and I agree that if we run across someone like that we should be kind and inclusive...
but I haven't heard of anyone who thought the prequels of Star Wars compairs favorably to the original trilogy.

SUCCATASH

Sunday, July 25, 2004 4:26 AM

I didn't say it would be easy. It's a fine line between honest criticism and fandom ridicule.

By now, a Star Wars Browncoat should have made a fanvid and changed Mal's sword into a lightsaber (Shindig).

Why hasn't that happened? THAT'S the real question.

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

EMBERS

Sunday, July 25, 2004 4:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:

By now, a Star Wars Browncoat should have made a fanvid and changed Mal's sword into a lightsaber (Shindig).

Oh didn't you see the WP of Yoda singing the Firefly theme
with his own unique grammer of course....

now where did I put that link?.....
(wonders off to find the Yoda thing...)

SUCCATASH

Sunday, July 25, 2004 4:43 AM

Star Wars Browncoats = $$$

Can we overlook Greedo shooting first, countless other violations, crappy dialogue, plot, and Jar Jar Binks?

Yes, we can. But how?

Here's how. Just close your eyes and think about lightsabers and Darth Vader, and lightsabers.

Then hug a Star Wars fan. Do it for money.

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

EDWARDBASS

Sunday, July 25, 2004 4:52 AM

A HUGE Star Wars fan here - but also a HUGE Firefly fan!! I agree - do whatever possible (or perhaps don't do what's possible) regarding bashing SW! Face it, the Firefly fan base is significantly smaller than the SW fan base. For "Serenity" to be successful really requires "bleedover" from other Sci-Fi genres. If the movie is to be a financial success (ensuring future movies), it must draw in lots and lots and lots of people who aren't already Firefly fans. Bring 'em on - I'm sure the movie will be spectacular!

BEATLE

Sunday, July 25, 2004 6:10 AM

I'd like to know the diff between those who grew up watching the Star Wars movies come out, and those who grew up watching them through VHS or re-releases.
Most of those I know, like me, can remmeber watching the original releases at the theaters. And I have not heard one of them, like me, say that the prequels were all that great. A lot of them have in fact disliked the prequels.
Most things in the new SW's movies did not bother me, like Jar-Jar. No different than the Ewoks or for that matter the droids and Chewie.
But a lot of things really did bug me that I thought asinine of Lucas. Like taking a blood sample to determine the Force. I forget what they called it, but the whole speech by Obie in Star Wars tells me it's not measurable by a blood sample.
However I did like the idea of "Vadar" creating C-3PO and I can't wait to see how it's explained that the droids knew Anakin yet it's not told in the original three movies they knew him. Of course, if they don't explain that then I will be a bit confused. But I have heard from some that it will all come into place.

BEATLE

Sunday, July 25, 2004 8:46 AM

In addition to the title, Lucasfilm also sent concept artist Ryan Church to show off drawings of a Wookie tree civilization from "Episode III" and played footage of Christensen's climactic light-saber duel -- minus all the special effects -- with co-star Ewan McGregor, who plays Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Interesting...

RECHELON

Sunday, July 25, 2004 9:46 AM

Sigh.

I'm so tired. I'll make this quick.

THE PREQUELS ARE GOOD MOVIES. I enjoyed them. Everyone walking out of my opening day viewing of Ep 1 liked it. They were happy. We all had complaints, but, the whole was still loved. Stayed that way for almost a month. Then suddenly all our little complaints became huge indictments of George Lucas's cold marketing and inability to tell a story. I watched a few trolls take an occasionally marginally annoying character and turn it into a pop culture synonym for a totally backfired enterprise.

I watched George Lucas cave in to fan demands (blind war focus, yoda fight) albeit gracefully and then two months after II's release suddenly it sucks. Yall got hatin' issues.

No. Han Solo doesn't get to come flying out and blast you back to your adolescence. No. The special effects don't look like Styrofoam. No. This isn't your movie.

The prequels are the fleshing out of a story. It's got different themes from the 70s. The flare pants are gone. The political situation is demonstrated for no more than 15 minutes per movie. Ep I, I'm told repeatedly, was nothing more than fancy aliens talking.

Well tough. I'm in love with the Star Wars epic. I've always known Vader was Luke’s father, I think Empire is highly overrated.

I've had nothing but fun so far.

Those of you who want to stew in your own disappointment and hatred can do so. But shut up.

Everyone has complaints, but in the last five years I've yet to hear a single fan with a better idea for the prequel trilogy.

...There. Wasn't short. But I didn't use any expletives, and that took some effort. Every Star Wars movie has been high caliber Space Fantasy. Firefly is simply high caliber. But I swear, if I hear more of this StarWars sux now, and George Lucas is just stupid/perverted/greedy, I'ma gonna have to re-evaluate my (high) respect for Browncoats.

CHRONICTHEHEDGEHOG

Sunday, July 25, 2004 12:28 PM

Woohoo! Someone else who liked the prequals, there's two of us now!

My only big dissapointment from the prequals was the pod race. I thought it went on too long and was just a game advertisement. I actually like Jar-Jar! Not as a character, but as the plot point he needed to be in Episode II. What other way would there be to grant the chancellor emergency powers? Give it to one of the good guys and have them flamed by fanboys forever? Or have a character that's simple, and is there for only that purpose. Made sense to me.

Okay, the acting's not perfect and some of the dialogue is awful, but it was the same in the originals. Anyone who can't see that has nostalgia blinkers on.

I think I actually like Episode I now more than when I first saw it, it brings you to Episode II nicely which will, in turn, lead nicely into Episode III which will hopefully lead into Episode IV.

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