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"We're all just floating"

POSTED BY: Apex
UPDATED: Monday, July 26, 2004 05:14
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MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Saturday, July 24, 2004 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by Shiny:
If that indeed is what they are saying, then they may have gotten lazy and just used the background voices that Mal hears as he wakes groggily at the end of Out of Gas. Go back to that episode and compare.

Good catch - Jayne's OoG quote is "He's seen blood before, lots of it"

Not sure if Inara's line is the same.

Disagree its lazy - I go with Crowley that River hears things before they happen, when they happen elsewhere, and also flashes to the past.

"I threw up on your bed"

SHINY

Saturday, July 24, 2004 10:44 PM

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Originally posted by Misguided By Voices:

Good catch - Jayne's OoG quote is "He's seen blood before, lots of it"

Not sure if Inara's line is the same.

Yes it's the same. Inara says something about all the blood on the ship, and asks whether or not they should clean it up. Jayne says "he's seen blood before", then someone says something like "yeah, but this is all his"...and IIRC Zoe and Wash are having an exchange about him offering to go back up the the galley and scrape some of the chocolate cake off the walls for her.

"I left my heart in Seren-ity Val-ley..." <-- the farthest I've ever gotten in writing filk. ;)

APEX

Saturday, July 24, 2004 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by Misguided By Voices:
Disagree its lazy - I go with Crowley that River hears things before they happen, when they happen elsewhere, and also flashes to the past.

Which may also be backed up in Safe, where River says "I get confused. I remember everything. I remember too much, and some of its made up, and some of it cant be quantified, and.. theres secrets."

LUPINADDAMS

Saturday, July 24, 2004 10:48 PM

Thanks for all those replies... shame though - I had a vague hope there would be a few nuggets hidden in the dialogue there!

"You are what you do."
Andrew Vacchs

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Saturday, July 24, 2004 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by LupinAddams:
Thanks for all those replies... shame though - I had a vague hope there would be a few nuggets hidden in the dialogue there!

While Joss isn't totally JMS like in his writing (The Gathering was paying off in the final episode for crying out loud), he does plant stuff - just usually not more than a year ahead.

The fact that they reused lines means we didn't get any future nuggets, but the fact that they reused lines

conversely meant something.

"I threw up on your bed"

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Saturday, July 24, 2004 11:22 PM

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Originally posted by Shiny:
Yes it's the same. Inara says something about all the blood on the ship, and asks whether or not they should clean it up. Jayne says "he's seen blood before", then someone says something like "yeah, but this is all his"...and IIRC Zoe and Wash are having an exchange about him offering to go back up the the galley and scrape some of the chocolate cake off the walls for her.

You're correct in the last part - so to my mind River is hearing echoes.

My view is that there is something about being outside the ship that "shields" her in some way - hence her reaction is Bushwacked to the stars. Just a thought based on her reaction to Zoe and Wash in Objects and also the "screaming" line in Bushwacked; she is overwhelmed by the echoes, but when in space it stops.

Thinking on, most every time we see River, she is barefoot and there is a deliberate focus on her feet to show them touching down on the metal - suggests some tactile element to her abilities (might break down when dealing with Early given that she was in his vessel, but he was in Serenity, with which she had formed a bond).

"I threw up on your bed"

ECGORDON

Sunday, July 25, 2004 1:38 AM

If the things River reads from the other crew members are things said in the past or to be said in the future, then perhaps "We're all just floating" could be something Jubal said following his final line in the ep, "Well, here I am." It would fit in nicely with all of his other existential musings.

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

DRAGONFLYDIRECTOR

Sunday, July 25, 2004 2:29 AM

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Originally posted by Misguided By Voices:
Thinking on, most every time we see River, she is barefoot and there is a deliberate focus on her feet to show them touching down on the metal - suggests some tactile element to her abilities (might break down when dealing with Early given that she was in his vessel, but he was in Serenity, with which she had formed a bond).

Ah, but MBV, you have hit the nail on the head and missed 'seeing it hit'. Tactile contact would be correct, even if River is on Early's vessel. She is touching things and in the very space that Early probably lives in for large amounts of time. If she can 'sense' vibratory patterns and process them, she should be able to 'sense' the 'feelings and emotions' that were experienced by Early while in his ship/home.

Howzabout dat?

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Sunday, July 25, 2004 8:54 PM

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Originally posted by DragonFlyDirector:
Ah, but MBV, you have hit the nail on the head and missed 'seeing it hit'.
Howzabout dat?

Doh!

In my defence, when I had this epiphany, I was a little sowzed.

I firmly subscribe to Norm's Buffalo Theory - ask your parents those of you of the Fraiser only era.

"I threw up on your bed"

KEEPWALKING

Monday, July 26, 2004 5:14 AM

My first post - please pardon the lack of avitar ect (also the spelling - is there a spell chequer on this?). In the last shot, with Early revolving in space, there seems an odd reflection on his faceplate. On zoom and still frame it could be the cockpit of a small ship (Early's) showing chair and pilot. If there is another uncredited actor as mentioned above. "Here I am" could be both a philisophical comment referancing the title (he is now truely an object in space), his first line, "We're all just floating", and that he is here to be rescude.