Milkin' the Space Cow: Avatar's next release
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Thursday, October 28, 2010 23:12
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Quote:So.... you don't like it for its allusions to how Native Americans, or Native Hispaniolans were treated by occupying forces?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Looks like you picked the wrong week to stop sniffin' glue.
Do I understand correctly that you now deny HISTORY, and further, the recycling of said stories to produce emotion-effecting art?
Surely you are not that shallow.
Next you will tell us the Moon landing never happened & that Capricorn One is the best movie ever made....
The laughing Chrisisall
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Nice to know I'm not alone, Chris!
I was so thoroughly impressed by AVATAR when it came out, but all the hate from pretty much every forum I've been on has really been making me doubt my own sanity, to the point where other movies that are impressing me as I watch them have me saying, "I'm probably wrong to think this is great."
It's like when Fox aired that stupid "Moon Hoax" program, and the next day I found myself in a classroom with 40 people who had been totally convinced by it, and they all started shouting at me when I laughed about what bullshit it was: "Are you stupid, man? We didn't go the Moon! They just now showed it!"
I was never so terrified for my sanity in my life. Not even my teacher would back me up.
Just look at the comments on this thread about the sequels...
http://io9.com/5674706/james-cameron-releasing-avatar-2-in-2014-avatar
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Originally posted by cljohnston108:
I was so thoroughly impressed by AVATAR when it came out, but all the hate from pretty much every forum I've been on has really been making me doubt my own sanity, to the point where other movies that are impressing me as I watch them have me saying, "I'm probably wrong to think this is great."
There will always be those who will hate something just because it's popular.
Had the movie tanked, a lot of those same people would be it's biggest fans.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Had the movie tanked, a lot of those same people would be it's biggest fans.
You don't by any chance post as "Darth Meow 504" on io9, do you?
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Darth Meow 504
01:42 PM
@shaidar007: You've nailed it. Had the movie bombed, the same people who are bashing it now would be hailing it as a brilliant classic that flew under the radar of the masses and proves that the average person doesn't have the taste or sophistication for good movies.
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Quote:The ONLY relevant criticism might be that it's reminiscent of some stuff from Aliens...
Originally posted by cljohnston108:
all the hate from pretty much every forum I've been on has really been making me doubt my own sanity
Like THAT'S a BAD thing....
Titanic kinda sucked, and peeps loved it. This is great, and peeps loved it.
What-TF-ever.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:So.... you don't like it for its allusions to how Native Americans, or Native Hispaniolans were treated by occupying forces?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Looks like you picked the wrong week to stop sniffin' glue.
Do I understand correctly that you now deny HISTORY, and further, the recycling of said stories to produce emotion-effecting art?
Surely you are not that shallow.
Next you will tell us the Moon landing never happened & that Capricorn One is the best movie ever made....
"Native" Hispaniolans ?
You serious, Clark ?
I was unaware that Espagnol was the native tongue to those living in the Western hemisphere, prior to the SPANISH arriving. Learn something new every day.
I dislike Avatar for several reasons.
It's an old story , retold with nonsensical new age undertones and current political agendas , and repackaged, for the sake of ego stroking and the all mighty $$.
The idea of various species of land vertebrates literally ' connecting ' with each other --- openly insults the audience. Even science fiction should have a kernel of truth to it...
"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."
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Speaking as a Storyteller myself, my philosophy has to be "if only one person truly gets a story, then it was worth telling."
This was the movie Cameron wanted to make --it wasn't a product made for hire or to grab a market niche or fulfill a contract, and for that alone, it is worthy of praise.
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Quote:Sorry, I simplified it for you. I needn't have done that.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
"Native" Hispaniolans ?
Quote:I don't say stuff like this often, but in the words of Swan from The Warriors,
I dislike Avatar for several reasons.
It's an old story , retold with nonsensical new age undertones and current political agendas
fuck you.
Like films are not made in their times.
Go revisit Deer Hunter or Silent Running.
You must HATE the revisionist crap of Errol Flynn's Robin Hood.
Or the Nazi Metropolis.
You just can't let go.
I LOVE Demolition Man. Should I not? I mean, being an extreme Leftie as I obviously am...
Red Dawn was compelling... Oh, but I guess I should hate it, AND Conan, from the same director...
The laughing Chrisisall
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What we have here, is a failure to communicate.
Avatar is Pocahontas. Straight up. Only the technology has been changed to impress the audience. It's the exact same gorram story !
You might be mesmerized over the eye candy of pretty CG landscape and blue tailed hotties, but me ? Nope.
(OK, I admit it... the blue chick was pretty smokin'. )
But you're also damn right , I don't let go. I refused to be brain washed by a tired, worn out dogma that anything the white, European, technologically forward, post Renaissance male or humans are only good for is to slaughter, defiling nature, etc... all for the sake of the mighty dollar.
Guess what ? ALL HUMANS are capable of doing this, and more often than not, to a far greater extent than the US Military! To constantly paint 1 and only 1 group for doing such atrocities, while ignoring similar actions by others, is the worst sort of propaganda, and I've grown sick of it.
And as for Hispaniolas..what exactly did you 'simplify' ??
It's presented , nearly universally, that many of the native Americans speak Spanish as their native tongue. Do folks not realize that was Spain, and the Conquistidores, who first started to colonize the 'new world'? Who over ran the Aztecs ? It was the Spanish, not the English, who first came to conquer the land and take what they wanted. The Spanish, who melted down untold riches of the ancient native Americans, and hauled the gold back to Europe. It was the Spanish who fist slaughtered in the name of Christianity. It was the Spanish, who first introduced small pox onto the native population, resulting in the deaths of untold numbers.
All these things which folks may know, but never really think about. The Mexicans feel we took THEIR land, when in fact, it's THEY who took it from the native Americans. Looking at how we manage the land and the people, I'd say the Mexicans forfeit any claim to the land now, as we run it far better than they ever could.
( dang.... now I've gone and got all real world eventsy in here ... ) 
"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."
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Avatar is one of the greatest movies ever made, perhaps the most visually stunning one ever. But I will not buy any new DVDs of it with "extra" footage. I always hate when they change a movie from it's original release. I've fallen into that trap a few times, and the results are always the same....the "inserted" footage does not improve the movie, and in some cases actually makes it worse.
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