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Taliban winning in Afghanistan

POSTED BY: Magonsdaughter
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DMAANLILEILTT

Sunday, October 17, 2010 12:33 PM

Apparently you have not heard about the oil platforms off the coast of Scotland.

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NIKI2

Sunday, October 17, 2010 5:45 PM

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Gee, don't you wish you hadn't funded, trained and armed them?

Are you from another country? If not, who do you mean by “you”, given it was Presidents of both sides who did so...

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Would-be conquerors come and go, but end of the day, Afghanistan, is Afghanistan.

Yes, Frem, as we and others know, Afghanistan has been conquered innumerable times throughout history, but nobody’s ever HELD it for long.

Back when we lived there, the common wisdom was that Russia wanted Afghanistan as a “buffer country”, nothing more. It certainly has little to offer in any other way, and it’s no “gateway” as far as I could ever see. As I’ve said before, back then it was a game to them; America built them an airport and an airline (there reason my dad was sent there), Russia built them a road (ironically, TO Russia); America built schools, Russia built grain silos. They made out great by playing one against the other; unfortunately THAT gambit doesn’t work forever.

And yes, everything else you said, Frem. It’s sad that these things are SO obvious to so many of us, yet either our politicians are deaf, dumb and blind, or they don’t care and just want a war for their own purposes.

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provoke us to doin more damage to ourselves in our panicked flailing than they could ever hope for - not to mention our stupidity at sending our guys over there to be pop-up targets for folks who have EVERY DAMN REASON to hate our guts.

Right on. Wasn’t that Al Qaeda’s stated purpose? To get us involved in so many little “wars” around the world that we exhaust our military resources, and to cause dissention within our country, etc.? Which is happening quite effectively, as far as I can see.

Interestingly I’ve read that “terrorism never works”...would be interesting to see what whoever wrote that would have to say about the current situation, in which terrorism abroad, one strike against us which was possible because of our own complacency, the stupidity/stubbornness of our government, the desire to divide by our politicians, and our own susceptibility to terror, has been quite effective. I think that puts the lie to the statement. Terrorism WITHIN a country might not work, in that it causes people to rise up against it, but it seems terrorism all over the place is quite effective in terrorizing a country which is actually little in danger of being its victim, but whose imaginations can be stimulated to be terrorized!

Hee, hee, hee, I love that quote, Mike. How apropos! Time has always been their ally and their conquerors' enemy.

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NIKI2

Sunday, October 17, 2010 5:45 PM

Gino, GREAT to see you again!! Gawd, that story is horrendous but, unfortunately, doesn’t surprise me in the least. I couldn’t read beyond

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As you read below it will become blatantly obvious

I don’t have to know the details, my imagination and knowledge of other such stories suffices, and it would be like reading about an animal in a testing lab, it happens so often and in so many of the same ways. Absolutely

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since 9/11, there have been numerous false "terror" alerts and lies leading to the capture and torture of hundreds of innocent individuals - and the heinous treatment we have all witnessed to from Abu Ghraib. Additionally, we are supposed to believe that multi-war criminal, Colin Powell, was "fooled" by faulty intelligence so much so that he paved the way for the invasion of Iraq by his false testimony at the UN but we are also supposed to unquestioningly believe the US intelligence apparatus when they lie about others such as Dr. Siddiqui.

And yet so MANY blind, brainwashed people still deny this, say we are “justified” in what we do, say torture “works” (which it’s conclusively been proven NOT to) and act on “information” given by those who tortured, when surely they must know that, just like McCain, people will name a football team to stop the torture! Why are humans susceptible to ignoring what they know to be true and defending what they know is false, and be so determined to keep doing so no matter what? It’s a conundrum, to me.

I don’t often read stories about Israeli atrocities for the same reason, and scratch my head about people who blindly defend Israel, no matter what, for the same reason.

I found it amusing but sad and disgusting that McCain backs torture when he stated HIMSELF that he named anyone he could think of to stop the torture. What hypocrisy!

Cat, once again we need to go into the non-ownership of oil. It’s traded on a worldwide stage, from what I’ve read, so nobody knows “who’s” oil they’re buying. Which again gives the lie to our need to drill for “our own” oil, as the companies who bring it up (often foreign) sell it on the world market and we buy off the world market, so it’s never “our” oil in the first place. The only positive is that the companies pay a fee to us to drill, and I believe for however much they bring up, and the only true argument about getting “free of foreign oil” is that we need to find alternatives TO oil.

The rest of what you wrote makes no more sense to me than it did to Magons. Nor did the remark about oil platforms off Scotland.

Mike, I know Russia has used other countries as “gateways” to further conquest, and Afghanistan is certainly a poor enough country to easily conquer (but, as anyone who has learned, not to hold!), but I maintain that what was true when we lived there still holds; they want a buffer country, some place poor enough to control but not important enough to need dealing with or putting money into. Perhaps it could be viewed as a “gateway to the Mideast”, but gateway to any kind of port? That’s not just absurd because there IS no port in landlocked Afghanistan, but because the terrain and distance make even using it as a gateway to ports in Iran or Pakistan totally unfeasible. Which idiot came up with that concept??

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signing off

CATPIRATE

Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:45 AM

Kwicko you are a dumbshit. Strike base idiot. But I'm sure you know all about military operations. What's going on right now. Oh if ya talk to soldiers you would know. The airbase is getting huge. No war in that area. We will be there a long time. Protecting the Gulf Region.

DMAANLILEILTT

Tuesday, October 19, 2010 6:36 AM

I was saying the United States Of America funded, trained and armed Afghani militia to beat back the Soviet Union. One of these militia groups trained in a camp called Al-Qaeda. I was saying that don't Americans wish they hadn't funded extreme groups in Afghanistan because now there have been thousands of deaths because of it.

And I'm aware that the article is about my country and not your's. I was making a satirical comment.

And the oil comment was a response to CatPirate. And I was refering to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_oil

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KANEMAN

Tuesday, October 19, 2010 1:20 PM

With the crock of barak running things I'd be suprised if they don't take us over.

PEACEKEEPER

Tuesday, October 19, 2010 1:28 PM

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With the crock of barak running things I'd be suprised if they don't take us over.

We we always lose ANY war in Afghanistan. It's all about terrain. You invade my house with 4 trained soldiers and I'll off 3 of em before they've reached the first floor landing.With zero training.Knowing your battleground is everything.

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DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:45 AM

Let them win.

The more we fight, the stronger they become. This is because there are more powers on this Earth with a vested interest in us losing than there are with an interest in us winning. These powers will pour resources into the Taliban and anyone else fighting us until we lose. Hence, the longer we fight, the stronger they become. Ultimately, we lose.

Think about it:

Russia and a number of European country oppose a US-dominated middle east. Add that together, and that's most of Europe.

The communists and the muslim world wishes us to fail, that's most of Africa, and ultimately, when you add in the drug lords who also want us to fail with the communists, that's most of Latin America as well.

China, Russia, Pakistan, Iran, other muslim nations are dead set against our victory, and India has doubts. That's almost all of Asia.

So, add it up. It's the US, with the support of Israel, and now it's really losing or lost the support of the UK. That means up to 95% of the world is against us.

And it gets worse: Apparently, WE are arming the enemy ourselves, because elements within our own govt either seek to profit from it, want to undermine the mission, or claim it for themselves, or are just too hopelessly disorganized to know who they are helping...

So, almost 100% of the world is helping the enemy. So, the longer conflict goes on, the stronger the enemy becomes.

So let them win. Better today than tomorrow, and better tomorrow than the day after...

KWICKO

Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:16 AM

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Originally posted by CatPirate:
Kwicko you are a dumbshit. Strike base idiot. But I'm sure you know all about military operations. What's going on right now. Oh if ya talk to soldiers you would know. The airbase is getting huge. No war in that area. We will be there a long time. Protecting the Gulf Region.

You say "we will be there a long time" and "protecting the Gulf region" as if those are GOOD things.

And yeah, I know a little about military ops. I know you can do more from a carrier battle group than you can from a static base, especially when that base is in a land-locked country swarming with natives who absolutely hate you and are willing to give their lives to drive you from their land.

You were in the navy, right? So what you know is all about things that are long, hard, and full of seamen, right? ;)

Hey, maybe you'll get your wish and they'll try to put a Navy base in Afghanistan...

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Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:37 AM

Oh hell yes, of COURSE the Russians are laughing up their sleeve and funnelling weapons, equipment and money to anyone willing to shoot at us, all the while thinkin "Paybacks a bitch, ain't it ?".

You really think Putin didn't laugh his ass off the minute we invaded that place, and start shipping guns not thirty seconds later ?

We dare not call em on it either, do we now ?

We should just cut our losses and GTFO, honestly.

-Frem

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