One Big Conspiracy?
POSTED BY: InvaderChat
UPDATED: Friday, October 15, 2010 05:57
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Hello everyone.
so everyone knows Firefly is the best show in town right? And everyone also knows that it got a shit deal from Fox who are a bunch of *censored* and they should *censored* themselves.
But I kinda keep having this weird idea in the back of my head, it should be clear before I start this discussion that I don't actually think this is what happened and it's not meant to be a solid theory, just a suggestion.
Okay so, what if Joss is just an even bigger genius that we all thought? What if he PLANNED for Firefly to run for fourteen episodes and be like the underdog of the sci-fi world in an effort to purposely orchestrate the entire Browncoat group?
Like he said about the creation of the characters in the story 'the people history stepped on' they are characters that we like to hear about, the people who lost the war so maybe the whole series was created to be like a show that 'lost the war'?
There's also the fact that Joss said Fox made him write the series in an episodic fashion instead of a continuous story, LIES! He did that himself to show as many different aspects of his world as he could before pretending to be cancelled!
So really, he has thought all of this through, including the BDM to gather a huge support group for the REAL series/Movie that he is going to come out with any time now, using the original series and movie as simple trailers for the mighty...thing, that is going to come!
Go ahead, find a flaw in my logic. Joss has you all fooled.
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Possible, in some ways...
The remake of the show V, you might know it, was taken off air for a while the first season because of a storyline about tainted vaccines interfering with ongoing efforts for swine flu vaccinations at the time. This sort of thing isn't necessarily unheard of.
Technically, most of the CIA activity that inspired Joss' take on human brain experimentation (Firefly, Dollhouse) has been declassified in the Family Jewel documents. Joss is allowed to take on the issues because portraying it all as fiction kinda blurs things over in the minds of the public, plus his versions are a little exaggerated in some ways. But if he's not careful, he could rankle them. The idea of the little people rising up against the intelligence community and industrial military complex would probably rankle them.
Joss also claims to be a left-wing Anarchist. So, taking on the government is a story he'd want to tell.
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Wow, Joss really knows how to think long term. Firefly didn't find it's way to me until a couple of years ago. I have mixed thoughts on it's being canceled and leading to only one movie. While I'd love to see more, I'm also almost glad it ended as relatively happy as it did with my most favorite characters still alive.
I just know if it stayed on the air Joss would have played with our emotions. Awww... isn't that Kaylee so cute and adorable? DEAD! Isn't that Simon so selfless and caring? PLOT TWIST HE IS EVIL! Inara and Mal finally realize what they mean to each other. DEAD! but not both dead, cause one of them must live on to be eternally miserable. Book becomes atheist (screw you Christians!) Jayne becomes a shepard (j/k, Christians are okay too... I guess...)
Of course I'd still watch, cause Joss is awesome. Maybe he was more a genius than I realized. Maybe he stopped it early so it would remain the greatest science fiction series ever with immortally awesome characters, but then he was tempted by the dark side when making serenity and almost lost it all.
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Inara and Mal finally realize what they mean to each other. DEAD! but not both dead, cause one of them must live on to be eternally miserable.
Ouch. Just... Ouch.
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Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
Maybe he was more a genius than I realized. Maybe he stopped it early so it would remain the greatest science fiction series ever with immortally awesome characters.
That's kinda what I was getting at before going overboard with the whole revival thing, I don't think there would be so much love for Firefly if it went on to a proper length.
I also take a bit of bittersweet pleasure in the fact that it didn't continue on for the things you mentioned above to happen, I'd absolutely love it if it did but right now Firefly is frozen in that awesome stage before shows go down hill.
Obviously I'd watch it no matter what but as you've noted...Joss is mean.
And BYTEMITE, are you suggesting that Firefly was canceled due to a government cover up that Joss was trying to expose through TV?
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So Joss purposely produced a failed tv show that would lead to a failed movie that would eventually have him be involved in a writers strike ( because shows like Firefly were doing well on the web and were getting nothing for the writers) That would then lead to Dr. Horrible then to Dollhouse then ……..
In a word NOPE!
Joss is in it for the money. He doesn’t care about fans, he doesn’t care about the “art” and doesn’t he have a conspiracy bone in this body…..
He’d just wanting the “green back”…..
My theory…….BP
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I think the truth of things is really in Joss's writing, which has changed significantly (largely for the worse) since the cancellation of FIREFLY.
The loss of the show caused a wound in him (and in his creative abilities) that time has not yet healed. FIREFLY was his true love, and he lost her (arguably, twice).
That can't be faked.
Now, having said that, I think there IS a kernel of truth to what you're saying. I think that Joss, when he was creating FIREFLY, lived with the constant shadow of awareness that it could end at any time, and that inspired him to be daring and try things that he might not done had he had, for example, a full season commitment from the network. Basically, "This might be my only change, so what do I have to lose?"
I know that as an audience member during the original run of the show, that element was always there. On some level, I think that we KNEW that even though we loved this show immensely, it might not survive for long and that "summer fling" feel served to heighten the intensity of the experience. (Similarly, for those who caught the show on DVD, there's been discussion that the DVD set is--by coincidence, not conspiracy! :)--the exact right length to make it something you can fall in love with. Just enough episodes to get emotionally attached, but not so many episodes that it's daunting to watch).
www.stillflying.net: "Here's how it might have been..."
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BRUCEPLUTO, I can see your point of view but it doesn't necessarily preclude my suggestion. I didn't say that he was doing it out of love or for art. Infact the whole thing would basically BE about the money if he had indeed intentionally caused Firefly to fail only to gather fans for his new venture so they'd definitely buy.
Just think how many people would have viewed if episode fifteen came out right after fourteen way back on the original run and then consider how much of an event such a thing would be right now, it'd be worth cashy money.
And GWEK, the little theory I have presented aside, I agree with what you're saying. I believe Joss truly loved Firefly and that he has suffered for it.
Even though I didn't like Buffy or Angel, the writing in it was still very good and conversely I liked Dollhouse but recognized that the writing had gone down hill.
All in all, while I agree with your opinion that out of sheer coincidence the show was the perfect length to gain it so much love I still can see that being part of Joss' evil plan. :P
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Another thing that you'r theory fails to take into account is that unless Joss Whedon is some sort of actual super-villain, it would be very hard (bordering on impossible) to predict the social and media changes that happened to combine to make FIREFLY a success.
It's very easy NOW to sit back and say "Yes, Joss knew that 14 episodes would make a perfect series length," but in 2002, there was no reason to assume that a failed show would be ported to DVD (most weren't) and that people would have easy access to TV shows through things like netflix (back in 2002, if you were lucky, your local Blockbuster carried SOME TV series--or you could pay 60 bucks on Amazon [as opposed to 80 bucks in the store!]).
If Joss actually did have that kind of foresight, I suspect he'd be using it for something more meaningful... like ACTUAL world domination.
www.stillflying.net: "Here's how it might have been..."
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Originally posted by InvaderChat:
And BYTEMITE, are you suggesting that Firefly was canceled due to a government cover up that Joss was trying to expose through TV?
It's highly unlikely, but considering the subject matter was taboo twenty years ago, it's not impossible.
But again, it's highly, highly unlikely, as most of the ideas that Joss exposes have been around for a while... Most people will weirdness censor stuff that sounds like crazy conspiracy theory (but which actually happened) on their own, and the conspiracy theorist fringe elements who talk as much actual overlooked leaked information as they do bullshit don't exactly do a good job attracting credibility to themselves. No government intervention required.
The show V I mentioned and being temporarily taken off network during the tainted vaccine story line is a far more likely example of government meddling.
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