So. Who here still thinks that the USA will EVER be back where it was in the 'economically on-fire' era of Bush's early reign?

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You'll note where Rappy goes for his information. That official sounding site he references, "usgovernmentspending" is actually propaganda built by Christopher Chantrill, "writer and conservative". Look into the site - Chantrill thinks the roaring twenties is The Way American Should Function, and the crash in 1929 was not related to anything anyone did in the twenties. I guess the evil govt somehow did something evil right then in Oct, 1929 that ended the party.

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That's probably where Rappy got his "fact" that 95% of Americans pay no taxes at all, or that unemployment was at 4% under Bush. Closest it ever got to that number while Bush was on the scene was in the last 4 months of Clinton's Presidency; once Bush took over, it started going up and up and up. Interestingly, unemployment went up AFTER Bush's tax cuts, too. So much for that whole "tax cuts create jobs" rubric, eh?

Under Bush, unemployment almost doubled, from a low of 4.3% to over 7.9% when he left office. Heckuva job, Bushie!

I wonder if this guy is where Rappy also got his "fact" that Obama has spent more than all other Presidents combined. (In fact, he hasn't even spent as much as the previous ONE President did, much less all those before him)

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

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I'd be curious to know how much of that "health, education, and pensions" spending would more accurately fit under Pentagon spending, in the form of healthcare for military personnel and veterans (VA), and education of same (GI Bill, for instance), and pensions, disability, and retirement pay of veterans.

Also, how much of your INCOME TAX is going to pay for defense spending, and how much is going to pay for Medicare and Social Security?

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

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... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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In the 1950's, more than half of the tax $'s collected by the IRS came from large corporations.
Now it's 5%.

Who's making up for that, I wonder...?


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'd be curious to know how much of that "health, education, and pensions" spending would more accurately fit under Pentagon spending, in the form of healthcare for military personnel and veterans (VA), and education of same (GI Bill, for instance), and pensions, disability, and retirement pay of veterans.

Also, how much of your INCOME TAX is going to pay for defense spending, and how much is going to pay for Medicare and Social Security?

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.


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Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Plenty of mine. You on the other hand, you being a gay shipping clerk, I'm going to bet you don't pay dick. You most likely recieve the earned income credit.....So, leave the tax debate to those that actually GET taxed and PAY taxes at the end of the year. You weekly tax deducted cock suckers that get most (if not all) back at the end of the year, and go spend it as if it were in a bank(-minus the interest)...giving the economy a FAKE boost, make me sick...And, you are gay.

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Rap,

Sorry, I should have clarified. I meant federal income tax. Technically, the govt. does not admit that entitlement taxes are taxes, but they are what pays for entitlement spending, which I admit is larger than the budget. However, if you look at the budget and include contracts payroll and pensions which are actually military as well as projects and international aid which is actually military, and then add in war and defense supplementals, the budget was almost entirely military until Obama stoked by the bailout portion. Oh, and homeland security, the name of which still creeps me out, to say nothing of the concept, is military.

Actually, if you want to be technical, all tax dollars go to the debt, or the interest on the debt, and every penny the fed spends is deficit spending.


All that said, you have to be extremely aware that everyone here is very very familiar with how our govt. spends money and where it goes.

If we're talking in rough terms, a trillion or so in military spending each year when you add it up, it's a lot of money. Far more than anyone else is spending, though China might come close if they actually paid their workers and soldiers (they're doing what our military used to do, which is pay penny wages to people working for their national defense.)

Anyway, it's easy to see why any international concern interested in meddling and nation building would hijack America to be its patsy.


But, of course, I'm also aware that it's paying your salary, so no offense intended.


Kane,

You're gay, you used to say so on your profile. This is getting old. It was cute when you and Mike were newlyweds after you caught him on the rebound from Rap, but now it's more like the bitchy couple that's been married too long and really needs to start seeing their other cousins.

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Sorry, I thought I needed to vent because I felt you weren't getting *why* the Nazis were evil. Everyone knows that they *were* evil, but few people look to far into how they got that way.

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please show me where i have ever indicated where the nazis were not evil. I don't dispute their violence or insanity, I dispute that you should call them left winged. The fact that you do, leads me to believe that you are either very ignorant, or we have been taught very different ways of seeing the world.

Hopefully you can see this chart which places facism where I think it should be on the spectrum.



From wiki

Fascism (pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy.[5][6] Fascism was originally founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but it gravitated to the political right in the early 1920s.[7][8] Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right of the conventional left-right political spectrum.[9][10][11][12][13][14]

It worries me that the Right in America appear to be rewriting history to fit their bias, which is why I keep rebutting you.

And to counter your rant on socialism - many countries would have what would be regarded as socialist type economies and are not authoritarian states. It's the authoritarian that you should object to, be it on the left or right spectrum

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I think here you would be politically confused. You seem to anchor yourself to old world leftist standbys, but hold what I would call a more or less tea party world view, even if that may scare you. Your stances against globalism and for independent or personal economic control, a lot of the stuff you posted here, esp. earlier, I would place you on the right, but politics are strange.

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I don't know much about the tea party except that they hate Obama, and I quite admire him. I don't think he's a messiah and i'm not sure how much he can achieve, but I like the politics of the man, so I'd say no, I wasn't aligned with the tea party.

I'm not sure how you get that i am right winged, really, I don't even by your own rather different view of the world. I think you long to identify that we are all the deep down the same in our views sometimes leads you to jump the conclusions. Being anti globalist is a key feature in many left winged views... but so we cna clear things up

I'm pro universal health
I believe in mixed economies
I'm pro gun control
I'm cautious about immigration, because I don't think my country can sustain a much larger population but think asylum seekers should be treated humanely and given citizenship if found to be geunuine.
I'm pro policies that encourage sustainability in undustry and land use
I favour a welfare system, but I think there should be checks and limits
I'd like America to butt out of a lot of its military activity globally
I'm probably socially conservative when it comes to bringing up kids, because I think one biological Mum and one biological Dad is the best system, but failing that two loving caring adults is also okay, and in the end we all do the best we can
I don't approve of hitting kids
I don't believe in capital punishment, or prison sentences for non violent crimes

Hmmm, there is probably a lot more.

NB When i talk about being pro gun, universal health, and immigration, I'm talking about my country, and not the US. What works here, may not work there.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
many countries would have what would be regarded as socialist type economies and are not authoritarian states. It's the authoritarian that you should object to, be it on the left or right spectrum

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Thank you, MD. THANK YOU!!!!!


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And don't forget the intel and alphabet boys, Byte, and the TREMENDOUS amount of money poured down a rathole into their black budgets to accomplish simple things they never actually manage to accomplish.


Oh screw it, since I've all but been outed anyways, and recently been informed in no uncertain terms that no one gives a fuck anymore...

Did you know back in the 80's they had to create a SEPERATE, in-house military intel branch to do the shit the CIA was SUPPOSED to be doing, but was too busy fucking over their so-called protectees to bother ?

And had to HIDE it from every damn body ?

I mean, say... a rescue attempt, right - you wanna know how many doors, points of entry, how many goons and what their patrols are like, before you pop the cork, yes ?

And that is what the fucking CIA's OFFICIAL JOB IS, and they *can't* bloody DO it, or won't, and half the time they just lie, or tell you whatever is more politically convenient for em or will net them the most money and power, but for their assigned and intended purpose they're useless - worse than useless cause they keep DOIN shit which blows back on us, like propping up dictator shitheels and blowing away moderates... cause, yanno, war feeds their budget too.

And so ole jay-sock came up with the idea of rolling their own humint and sigint department internally, in a cell structured fashion, off the books, to do the job those CIA fucks wouldn't.

And so once again I question the necessity of pouring our tax dollars down that shithole.

"Truth overcomes all bonds."

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

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Sorry, I thought I needed to vent because I felt you weren't getting *why* the Nazis were evil. Everyone knows that they *were* evil, but few people look to far into how they got that way.

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please show me where i have ever indicated where the nazis were not evil. I don't dispute their violence or insanity, I dispute that you should call them left winged. The fact that you do, leads me to believe that you are either very ignorant, or we have been taught very different ways of seeing the world.

Hopefully you can see this chart which places facism where I think it should be on the spectrum.



From wiki

Fascism (pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy.[5][6] Fascism was originally founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but it gravitated to the political right in the early 1920s.[7][8] Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right of the conventional left-right political spectrum.[9][10][11][12][13][14]

It worries me that the Right in America appear to be rewriting history to fit their bias, which is why I keep rebutting you.

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Spot on. The right in this country is constantly trying to rewrite history. They're "strict constitutionalists" - except for the pesky parts like the 14th Amendment; they're fundamentalists Christians who believe in ALL of the bible - except for the pesky parts that rankle them.

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And to counter your rant on socialism - many countries would have what would be regarded as socialist type economies and are not authoritarian states. It's the authoritarian that you should object to, be it on the left or right spectrum.

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I think here you would be politically confused. You seem to anchor yourself to old world leftist standbys, but hold what I would call a more or less tea party world view, even if that may scare you. Your stances against globalism and for independent or personal economic control, a lot of the stuff you posted here, esp. earlier, I would place you on the right, but politics are strange.

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I don't know much about the tea party except that they hate Obama, and I quite admire him. I don't think he's a messiah and i'm not sure how much he can achieve, but I like the politics of the man, so I'd say no, I wasn't aligned with the tea party.

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As far as I can tell, the tea-baggers have no idea what they stand for. As long as somebody seems angry at the scary black man, they'll stand for just about anything.

The number one issue for tea-baggers seems to be "I don't want the government telling me what to do!" What you'll notice, though, if you look closely, is that at the same time, they're also shouting, "I WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO TELL *THEM* WHAT TO DO!!!"

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I'm pro universal health
I believe in mixed economies
I'm pro gun control
I'm cautious about immigration, because I don't think my country can sustain a much larger population but think asylum seekers should be treated humanely and given citizenship if found to be geunuine.
I'm pro policies that encourage sustainability in undustry and land use
I favour a welfare system, but I think there should be checks and limits
I'd like America to butt out of a lot of its military activity globally
I'm probably socially conservative when it comes to bringing up kids, because I think one biological Mum and one biological Dad is the best system, but failing that two loving caring adults is also okay, and in the end we all do the best we can
I don't approve of hitting kids
I don't believe in capital punishment, or prison sentences for non violent crimes

Hmmm, there is probably a lot more.

NB When i ta

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