'I go to bed at night...
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Saturday, September 25, 2010 19:49
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...realizing that I am in a small, enlightened group that realizes the truth of things in the world here. As much as I'd like to be, I'm not a fuzzy-wuzzy Liberal love-in dumass, ready to see all the good & sweetness in a world full of danger and hate. I read the posts on the Firefly site, and I can't believe my fellow Browncoats, an otherwise swell bunch of guys, are so riddled with unrealistic views of events in the REAL WORLD we live in. They so totally miss the point of self-reliance and strength. We need to be strong in the face of evil to survive, yet the principles that practically DEFINE our favorite show seem lost on them as they whine and HOPE their way to some utopian ideal of cooperation between people that can't exist as long as the haters of our reasonably noble country are actively planning & attempting to carry out its destruction!
No, I do not *live* in fear, but I damn well won't live in delusion, either. THEY are out there. And they mean to END us.
And all the Nikovitches & Kwickies & Chrissys & Skidmarks & other people who willfully miss the point will never change my mind.
We need to speak loudly & USE our big stick, when necessary.
I go to bed at night, and I dream of rationality in my country."
Now, did I get you right (you know who you are)?
The trying to see it from the other side Chrisisall
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Ha! You had me going. For a second, I was going to accuse you of having a niece take over your account... (
to Frem)
The mistake you make, Chris, is trying to place logic in brains that are not logic enabled. Though I think you did get the emotion right.
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You forgot to sign off with the judgmental "disappointed" smiley...
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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.
Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.
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BTW, I take it you all saw the "Rally to Restore Sanity"? Stewart has announced a march on the DC mall for sane people, where you might carry such a sign as: "I disagree with you, but I'm pretty sure you're not Hitler." Loooove Stewart.
I had a moment of thinking - OMG! I totally need to go! And I should try to talk FFF RWED people into going so I can meet them and we can hang out and NOT ARGUE!
Then real life returned and I realized: I'm just not likely to make the trip. Which is sad. And not about inconvenience as much as hating crowds. But it was a fun thought.
FYI: others on these boards will clearly be more interested in Colbert's "Rally to Keep Fear Alive"...
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I sympathize with Mr. Rappy. Though I disagree with him on mostly everything, I happen to think that he's on to something on the subject of islamic extremism (though for the record I wouldn't go as far as he does). It could be having an honest difference of opinion, or it could be that I'm a fearful hate monger.
Also, ya'll do a disservice to the word logic. Logic = someone stating a proposition that you support, using reasoning that makes sense to you. Illogic = anything you disagree with, using reasoning you find unpleasant.
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Originally posted by mincingbeast:
Also, ya'll do a disservice to the word logic. Logic = someone stating a proposition that you support, using reasoning that makes sense to you. Illogic = anything you disagree with, using reasoning you find unpleasant.
Look up Illogic, MB. You might find something like this:
Illogic says: "A FEW MUSLIMS HAVE CARRIED OUT ACTS OF TERRORISM, THEREFORE ALL MUSLIMS ARE EVIL!"
Logic replies: "Hang on, pal. There's good and bad Muslims, just as there's good and bad Christians, Jews, Atheists... "
"YOU DENY THAT ANY MUSLIMS HAVE CARRIED OUT ACTS OF TERRORISM. YOU ARE WRONG, THEREFORE IT'S TRUE THAT ALL MUSLIMS ARE EVIL!"
Reply: "No one denied that Muslims have done bad things. Could you point out where anyone denied such a thing?"
(Ignoring question, because addressing the question would mean using logic.) "A FEW MUSLIMS HAVE CARRIED OUT ACTS OF TERRORISM, THEREFORE ALL MUSLIMS ARE EVIL!"
My question for you MincingBeast: Have you actually known any Muslims, or you allowing your bias to grow from the fear-based sensationalism you see in the MSM? [ETA: my apologies for the strong reply if you meant to be ironic. This whole anti-Muslim thing has got me a bit peeved and tending to overreact. For fuck's sake, we're supposed to be freedom-loving America!]
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Logic is a meaningless word--outside of geometry and syllogisms. It is code for "nuh uh" or "yeah huh!" The same goes for reason. I know this, because nobody could possibly disagree with me without being unreasonable and illogical. And also ignorant. We all think this way, I fear.
I know several Muslims, but generally try to avoid the "some of my best friends are..." defense. Alas one of my best friends from undergrad is Muslim, and Palestinian besides. He is Muslim inasmuch as I am Jewish: it is a matter of family history and upbringing, but not faith, because he is a hard drinking apostate. The devout back home would gut him surely as they would me. Most other Muslims I have encountered would probably fall under this category (a law school colleague in particular, an Iranian bastard, who fasted for Ramadan for his ma's sake but drank Keystone all the time).
Beyond that, my exposure has been limited to those I've known in a professional (or intern) context, which was much less pleasant.
That said, I still maintain that (1) Osama bin Laden and his ilk are probably nastier than Sarah Palin and (2) the Koran is a shittier book than the Tanakh.
I am a knuckle-dragging atheist and must shit on everyone's beliefs, all the time. I rationalzie my Islamophobia as Islam presenting better targets to crap on, for the moment, and am frustrated by the fact that it is difficult to raise ths spectre of Islamic extremism without being called a hateful facist. I recognize that the converse of this is it's impossible to make statements of harmless Muslims without some asshole bringing up 9/11.
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Quote:There IS internal logic, and I think my intended subject is fairly consistent in that regard. Indeed, we all run to a degree on our own internal logic a great deal of the time. Stepping outside one's self is very difficult. I tried to do that with my initial post, but upon re-reading it, I think I still strayed into judgemental mockery on some small level... I was honestly trying to avoid that.
Originally posted by mal4prez:
The mistake you make, Chris, is trying to place logic in brains that are not logic enabled. Though I think you did get the emotion right.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:That freakin' hi-larious, Mince!!!!
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
an Iranian bastard, who fasted for Ramadan for his ma's sake but drank Keystone all the time
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:I can bring up examples of people of all nationalities and faiths that are just as hypocritical as this schmoe. What does it mean in the long run? Do his failings define everyone on Planet Earth who has some particular thing in common with this idget? (Some "thing" that I'm predisposed to demonize, of course.)
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
an Iranian bastard, who fasted for Ramadan for his ma's sake but drank Keystone all the time).
Quote:That's not it. My frustration is that it isn't possible to acknowledge the evils of 9/11 without jumping to such extreme conclusions that we go and rob some innocent New Yorkers of the freedom to go about their lives.
...am frustrated by the fact that it is difficult to raise ths spectre of Islamic extremism without being called a hateful facist. I recognize that the converse of this is it's impossible to make statements of harmless Muslims without some asshole bringing up 9/11.
We can all fucking hate Osama, and still want Muslims in NYC to have a place to hang out. Really. We can. If we'd just chill out and quit with the fear game.
But some of us can't, because certain politicians have learned of the power of fear, and they hold sway over minds who can't do LOGIC.
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