I agree with President Bush
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Just as I believe Catholicism in general was used as a means of destroying religion in a lot of Christian people's lives, I believe the "good" muslims are used to show that there aren't people behind that movement that HATE us, and we have a government that is more and more willing to let their influence over our culture be cultivated.
We're all being played.
Yes... Jewish Hollywood controls the media, but do I think my Uncle who is Jewish or his half Jewish kids are in on it? Hell no.
Whether or not you want to face the facts, there are a lot of people with have-nots over there that live day to day with nothing to call their own at night except for the sand in their asscracks when they go to bed.
All of that Duterotemy crap from the bible that made parents kill their Christian children for converting some thousands of years ago in a largely Anglo culture is happening right now today in the Middle East, and it can't be denied that some of that is making its way here in our "melting pot" culture.
Is it unfair to label all Muslims as savages?
Absolutely....
But should we just welcome them with open arms and force ourselves to be completely oblivious to any ulterior motives, particularly from anyone who openly preaches the practice here?
No!
You Nikki, likely wouldn't allow a Jehova's Witness into your home and waste several hours of your life. I would like to think that the same could be said about somebody going door to door giving out free Querans.
This isn't a question of religious oppression Nikki. These people behind this movement are no different than the Jesse Jacksons of the world. They're looking to give anyone with opposing views a big you by building this masque where they want to build it, and they're confident that our messed up system of law and zero morals and ethics will allow them to do it.
They're simply sending a message back home to poppa Osama that things are going just as planned.
Do I believe that the people who would practice their faith there are in on it?
No.... in probably 99% of the cases......
It doesn't change the severity of the grand gestures implied.
EDITED TO ADD:
Love the title of this post. Pure paradoxes are a surefire way of getting people to read a post. 
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned."
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Hello Six,
The problem I have is that it doesn't matter why they want to build their building. People seem to think that Islam is evil and we need to 'do something.'
Well, even if I were to grant the preposterous notion that Islam is evil and this Community Center is a crescent-and-star shaped F-U to the American people, it wouldn't change things one whit.
If Satan himself was building a temple to the Fallen in that Burlington Coat Factory, I wouldn't want him denied.
'Cause the moment we compromise our rules to get rid of undesirables, we show the crack in our armor, and all who wish us harm have a means to hurt us.
I'm not in any rush to destroy this Nation before our enemies can do so. Creating hate for a religion? Allowing discrimination against them? Changing the rules in order to get at them? Treating folks any different because of their God?
Hell, we'll just block the enemy without only to build temples to the enemy within, shrines of hatred and oppression built in our hearts, with daily calls to worship at the altar of our own defilement.
I will not advocate the destruction of America, not even by inches, not even to stop a perceived threat, no matter how scared or angry I get. Whatever tenacity we use to adhere to our principles will equal the strength of our shield against harm. If we falter, then we make ourselves defenseless.
--Anthony
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Originally posted by Niki2:
I despised many of the things he did to our country...I wish Bush would come out of hiding...Bush could help a lot. I wish he would.
Clearly you regret Obama and want a return to President Bush. At least under Bush you could hate the man but still be secure in the knowledge that the country was not going to be attacked again and he would chart a rocky, but ultimately safe course through rough seas.
I suggest you support a Constitutional amendment called the 'Do-over' clause that allows the public to bring the old President back periodically if they don't like what the new President is doing.
H
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Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Clearly you regret Obama and want a return to President Bush. At least under Bush you could hate the man but still be secure in the knowledge that the country was not going to be attacked again and he would chart a rocky, but ultimately safe course through rough seas.
Hello,
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--Anthony
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lol 
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Interesting thread. I very much appreciate the rational views expressed.
Trader, it would be interesting to see how the left treated Bush if he came out and said the things he said after 9/11 about tolerance and American ideals. I’ll bet you dollars to donuts they’d applaud and support what he says. As long as he didn’t get on the subject of politics and so forth.
No, of course I didn’t say I wanted Bush back...gawd forbid! I said that despite the fact that I abhorred many of the things he did to this country, I admired what he said on this subject. That you get “clearly” either means you were teasing, snarking, or blind to what I wrote.
Anthony, I agree completely with your first post—it’s not his RESPONSIBILITY as ex-Prez, but I see it as his responsibility as a voice of authority and as a human being. He is OBVIOUSLY under not requirement to do so and I don’t blame him if he doesn’t, I just think it would be a great thing to do. Notice I’m avoiding any cracks about Bush’s responsibilities or personality.
I also agree it’s up to us, bottom line, and I do put responsibility on those of authority to, if not speak up, at least not increase the controversy with IRRESPONSIBLE statements...which is the case right now.
I agree, Trader, that jobs would help...there AND here...especially insofar as they would take people’s minds off something ugly and put them on something positive.
6ix, nobody has to let anyone of ANY other faith into their homes, and you know perfectly well that has nothing to do with the topic. It’s about letting all Americans practice their own faiths in their own way and not labeling all Muslims terrorists, or Islam a religion of terror. That’s all. Nobody “has” to do anything personal about anything, just not do anything harmful to others.Quote:
...that is absolutely absurd, IN MY OPINION.
These people behind this movement are no different than the Jesse Jacksons of the world. They're looking to give anyone with opposing views a big you by building this masque where they want to build it, and they're confident that our messed up system of law and zero morals and ethics will allow them to do it.
The community center is not a “mosque”, we’ve been through that one already. You can call the YMCA or any other faith’s community center a “church” if it has prayer meetings in it, etc. We covered that in detail. The community center would be open to the COMMUNITY, and includes a 500-seat auditorium, theater, performing arts center, fitness center, swimming pool, basketball court, childcare area, bookstore, culinary school, art studio, food court, September 11 attacks memorial, and prayer space. That in no way constitutes a “mosque”, nor does it constitute a “masque”. As to our system of law and “zero moral values and ethics” NOT mean we should allow the community center to be built...in tht our entire system of law, moral values and ethics stand for ALL AMERICANS having equal rights, property rights among them? That’s a completely fallible concept.Quote:
is laughable, in that the person who began the plans and is the titular “head” of the plan is a moderate who has traveled extensively FOR our government and whose entire history consists of building bridges. If you bothered to know the facts, your statements would have more value to me. But they are the popular rhetoric, talking points which have no grounding in fact, only emotion and blindness. Yes, we ARE all being played; especially those who have bought into the product that’s being sold.
They're simply sending a message back home to poppa Osama that things are going just as planned.
Anthony said it best:Quote:
'Cause the moment we compromise our rules to get rid of undesirables, we show the crack in our armor, and all who wish us harm have a means to hurt us.
I will not advocate the destruction of America, not even by inches, not even to stop a perceived threat, no matter how scared or angry I get. Whatever tenacity we use to adhere to our principles wil
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Quote:I HAVE talked to the Wittness, many times in fact. And I WOULD talk to Door-to-door Muslims as well. I ENJOY poking polite holes in superstitions.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You Nikki, likely wouldn't allow a Jehova's Witness into your home and waste several hours of your life. I would like to think that the same could be said about somebody going door to door giving out free Querans.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
And I WOULD talk to Door-to-door Muslims as well. I ENJOY poking polite holes in superstitions.
I'm sure they would enjoy the conversation, especially the part where they decapitate you or detonate their suicide vests.
H
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That's not funny, Hero.
It's NOT! Stop snickering. I said STOP!!!!!
The laughing Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Niki2:
6ix, nobody has to let anyone of ANY other faith into their homes, and you know perfectly well that has nothing to do with the topic. It’s about letting all Americans practice their own faiths in their own way and not labeling all Muslims terrorists, or Islam a religion of terror. That’s all. Nobody “has” to do anything personal about anything, just not do anything harmful to others.Quote:...that is absolutely absurd, IN MY OPINION.
These people behind this movement are no different than the Jesse Jacksons of the world. They're looking to give anyone with opposing views a big you by building this masque where they want to build it, and they're confident that our messed up system of law and zero morals and ethics will allow them to do it.
The community center is not a “mosque”, we’ve been through that one already. You can call the YMCA or any other faith’s community center a “church” if it has prayer meetings in it, etc. We covered that in detail. The community center would be open to the COMMUNITY, and includes a 500-seat auditorium, theater, performing arts center, fitness center, swimming pool, basketball court, childcare area, bookstore, culinary school, art studio, food court, September 11 attacks memorial, and prayer space. That in no way constitutes a “mosque”, nor does it constitute a “masque”. As to our system of law and “zero moral values and ethics” NOT mean we should allow the community center to be built...in tht our entire system of law, moral values and ethics stand for ALL AMERICANS having equal rights, property rights among them? That’s a completely fallible concept.Quote:is laughable, in that the person who began the plans and is the titular “head” of the plan is a moderate who has traveled extensively FOR our government and whose entire history consists of building bridges. If you bothered to know the facts, your statements would have more value to me. But they are the popular rhetoric, talking points which have no grounding in fact, only emotion and blindness. Yes, we ARE all being played; especially those who have bought into the product that’s being sold.
They're simply sending a message back home to poppa Osama that things are going just as planned.
Perhaps a little background is in order to make my point on this topic.... My apologies for being vague and just expecting people to see the parallels without explaining them. Afterall, we're far from a hive-mind THANK GOD!
About 15 or so years ago, there was a very beautiful building in the suburb I lived in. Kind of out of place, since it was in a residential neighborhood. It seems it was built and then just sat there doing nothing. Fast-forward a bit of time and Mr. Sharpton himself was facilitating the purchase of this building to make a "black" church right in the center of a vastly predominant white suburb. Sure, the excellent argument could be made that this large church-like building wasn't being used and could be converted into a church very easily, and given that we are a modern society that 'should' be above petty race issues, there should be no qualms about who attends a church wherever it is.
Funny thing was though, nobody who attended this church after the purchase lived anywhere remotely close to it and they were all bussed in. I'm sure that there were more convenient localities for this to have been made, but I'm sure that Sharpton and Jackson wouldn't have had much of anything to do with the funding of "just another church in the ghetto". There's already a church on every block, along with a gun store and a liquor store, right?
That's not to say that they aren't wonderful philanthropic men when they desire to be and that they don't donate even money out of their own pockets to support their local churches. This was something different though....
The creation of this particular church in this particular location was designed to be nothing more than a big middle finger to "whitey", plain and simple.
Shortly therafter, in the
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