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Thursday, September 9, 2010 8:16 PM

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When pastor Steve Stone initially heard of the mosque and Islamic center being erected on the sprawling land adjacent his church, his stomach tightened.

Then he raised a 6-foot sign reading, "Welcome to the Neighborhood."

The issue for Stone and the 550-person Heartsong Church in Cordova, came down to one question:

"What would Jesus do if He were us? He would welcome the neighbor," Stone said.

The Memphis Islamic Center, a nonprofit organization formed three years ago, is two weeks from breaking ground on the first phase of a multimillion-dollar complex.

While plans for Islamic centers from Manhattan to Southern California and just miles away in Murfreesboro, Tenn., have triggered vitriolic responses and divided communities, here in Memphis it's been a peaceful process.

On a 31-acre stretch at Humphrey Road and Houston Levee, Memphis Islamic Center leaders plan to build a massive gathering place during the next several years. It will include a mosque, youth center, day care center, indoor gym, sports fields, medical clinic and retirement home.

While the 4,000-square-foot worship hall is being completed, Heartsong has opened its doors to its neighbors throughout the month-long observance of Ramadan.

Under a gigantic cross constructed of salvaged wood, nearly 200 area Muslims have been gathering each night to pray.

"I think it's helped break down a lot of barriers in both congregations," said Islamic center board member Danish Siddiqui.

"I've got fear and ignorance in me, too," said Stone, referring to his and some of his congregants' early apprehension toward the Memphis center.

But as members of the Christian congregation take the opportunity to sit in on Ramadan prayers and meet people at the nightly gatherings, much of that mystery and fear has dissipated.

"People in Memphis appreciate faith, even if it's not their faith," said Shaykh Yasir Qadhi, the Islamic center's scholar in residence and a Rhodes College professor.

The peaceful tone in the Bluff City has been refreshing for Qadhi, 35, who recently moved to Memphis from Connecticut, where early this month his Bridgeport mosque was descended on by angry protestors yelling slurs at families as they arrived for evening prayer.

"We're living in a climate of Islamophobia," he said.

The Memphis project hasn't been entirely free of criticism. Bloggers and religious publications have speculated that the Memphis group is receiving funding from Saudi Arabia, which the local Islamic board says is completely false.

"If the community can't put it together, it's not worth it," said Siddiqui, a Germantown resident.

The overarching fear being voiced in protests going on across the country is that Islamic centers will become hubs for teaching extremism.

But Islamic center board members say it's to the contrary.

Islamic community centers help form solid Muslim-American identities and keep young kids and adults from feeling marginalized, they said.

Without a place to call home, young Muslims are more likely to seek more radical interpretation of the Quran online, says Arsalan Shirwany, a board member and father of three.

When it is finished, the new facility will be a center for the whole community, and a place for interfaith cooperation, Shirwany said.

"This is what we need to fight extremism," he said.

I applaud them enthusiastically. I wish there were more who wanted to stand up for the ideals of this country and for humanity.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Thursday, September 9, 2010 9:41 PM

When mosques in S.Arabia put up similar signs and there's a genuine display of respect and tolerance to other religions in Muslim controlled lands, I'll take notice.

Until then, I got better things to be doing.



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Thursday, September 9, 2010 9:48 PM

Ahhh, so then we are no more civilized than the countries we dispise. I get it.

Since when did America judge itself by other countries? I thought you would be totally against anything like that. Huh. Obviously I was wrong.

Yep, we should start stoning people and writing laws about women covering their faces and burning Muslim countries' flags...THAT'll show 'em!

Oh, I hate to tell you, but when it comes to religious tolerance:

Jerusalem

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When the second of the four rightly guided Caliphs, Umar ibn Al-Khattab, entered Jerusalem in 638 AD, he entered the city on foot, out of respect for the holiness of the place.

His first action was to clear the rubble and the debris from the area of Al-Aqsa Mosque and to cleanse the whole sight with rose water.

There was no bloodshed. There was no slaughter. Unlike the slaughter of 70,000 men, women and children which accompanied the arrival of the Crusaders in 1099, the Muslims entered the city peacefully, signing a treaty with the Patriarch Sophronius, which guaranteed their rights to worship, their lives and their property.

The Patriarch, no doubt acting upon his lived experience in the city, asked that no Jews be allowed to live in Jerusalem. Salah Al-Din, known as Saladin in the West, lifted this injunction when he retook Jerusalem from the Crusaders in 1187.

Those who wished to leave were guaranteed their safety. Those who wished to remain were allowed to do so.

Spain:
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During this time, Christians and Jews held high office in the royal court. It was only when the Catholic monarchs, Ferdinand and Isabella, retook the Muslim cities in the south that mosques and synagogues were burned down and Muslims and Jews were either expelled or forced to convert.

Sultan Mehmet II officially recognized Patriarch Gennadius II as leader of the Orthodox peoples throughout the Ottoman Empire following the capture of Constantinople in 1453.

In the same year, he granted to the leader of the Jewish community (the Chief Rabbi) the title “Hahambasha”, or Chief Wise Man. Both actions show the respect for other faiths which was to symbolize the Ottoman rule.

Palestine:
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We have only to look at Palestine under the Ottoman Empire, to see that this was the greatest period when the region knew peace. Christians, Muslims and Jews lived together happily in the holy city of Jerusalem.
Scotland (2009):
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Some weeks after the Israeli attack on Gaza in January 2009, there was a rise in anti-Semitic attacks and hate crimes in many countries.

In Edinburgh, the synagogue of the United Hebrew Congregation was attacked by vandals, allegedly protesting against the war on Gaza. The response from the Scottish-Islamic Foundation, Scotland’s largest umbrella organization for Muslims, was swift: “We will guard the synagogue for you”, they said, if it proved too difficult for the Jewish community to do so.

So we are to go forward claiming no Muslim tolerance ever existed in history., I take it. Yes, siree, we certainly have become civilized.

And to educate you just a teeny bit, if you bother to read it:
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The first step is to hold up a mirror to yourself. Examine what beliefs your community (in my case, Christians) holds and how they hold them. On the positive side, you are likely to find there some features which can improve relations. Informed and empathic Muslims also speak well of many elements of Christianity. On the negative side, the mirror will reveal flaws, and to acknowledge them — without grovelling or in a spirit of self-hate which can come naturally to Christians who are fighting their own heritage — will enrich the conversation. It is disarming when neither party in a dialogue has to keep up appearances and both can meet each other honestly.

Another crucial step is to educate yourself about the other's religion, especially by reading their scriptures. In times of tension and terrorism, agitators tend to highlight the tense and terrifying texts in the others' books — the Qur'

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Thursday, September 9, 2010 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by Niki2:Ahhh, so then we are no more civilized than the countries we dispise. I get it.



No, you really don't. The US and the rest of the Western world has shown more tolerance, more generosity and more freedom to non Christians than the Mullahs could shake a stick at. Or throw a stone at.....

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Since when did America judge itself by other countries? I thought you would be totally against anything like that. Huh. Obviously I was wrong.



Well, you should be use to being wrong by now, but that's another topic. And while we shouldn't judge ourselves by their standards ( as you and the Lefties want to do w/ socialist Europe ) neither should we be blind to what they do.

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Yep, we should start stoning people and writing laws about women covering their faces and burning Muslim countries' flags...THAT'll show 'em!



No, they'd like that, actually. We'd be falling right in line with what they're all about. And that's what they want, and incredibly, you continue to fail to understand.

They WANT to change us so we're more like them. It's why they kill. Submit, convert, or die.

We ain't down with that, and actively resisting their intolerance and hate isn't giving into hate itself. We'll allow them to pray and be who they are, until it comes to a point of their rights infringing on the rights of others.

That simple level of human decency seems to be too much to ask of them in return.

I wonder why you think so.



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Thursday, September 9, 2010 10:26 PM

Personally, I'd like to outlaw organized religions getting tax breaks. And then make them PAY a superstition tax on top of that. They'd be forced to charge the patrons a fee- THEN we'd see how few REALLY believe all that nonsense.
Freedom of religion? I'm cool with that; believe whatever myth you like.
Freedom to get rich off it? No way, pal. Using weak peeps to form congregations to feed egos & wallets is in the same league with heroine dealers IMO.

And those superstitious looneys in the middle east? Again I say, bombard them from the air with Playboys & Penthouses. Make sure every populated area has been blanketed! Kids will grow up to want to SEE & TOUCH the opposite sex regardless of their inane parents' teachings! It could be the seeding of a new & erotically freed Middle East!!!!


The harsh Chrisisall

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Thursday, September 9, 2010 10:46 PM

No good, man, they can just counter with this.

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Thursday, September 9, 2010 11:11 PM


AHHHH, MY EYES, MY EYES!!!
AIEEEEEE!!
*reaches for the brain bleach*

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Thursday, September 9, 2010 11:23 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

We ain't down with that, and actively resisting their intolerance and hate isn't giving into hate itself. We'll allow them to pray and be who they are, until it comes to a point of their rights infringing on the rights of others.




So what "rights" of others are they infringing on by building a community center several blocks from an empty lot? Are they infringing on your right to not be offended, or your right to be overly sensitive?

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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Thursday, September 9, 2010 11:28 PM

Dear NIKI2,


Please shutup


XOXOXOXO whozit


P.S. Do you HAVE to hog RWFF? Maybe you could start your own site?






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Thursday, September 9, 2010 11:34 PM

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they'd like that, actually. We'd be falling right in line with what they're all about. And that's what they want
Then we're playing right into their hands by ignoring the Constitution and engaging in Anti-Islamic rhetoric, violence and racism. Don't you get that? If we behave with intolerance, we are one step closer to BEING like them.

I know you don't get it, but I'll say it anyway...
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The US and the rest of the Western world has shown more tolerance, more generosity and more freedom to non Christians than the Mullahs could shake a stick at.
Obviously you don't care to read facts presented to you. I just presented you with facts from different countries showing the tolerance of Muslims...about the same time we were slaughtering them in the name of Jesus...

There is NO comparison between being "blind" to what terrorists do (which we NEVER should be) and being blind to the fact that not all Muslims ARE terrorists and being hateful and intolerant of a religion.

There's no "actively resisting" anything in destruction of people, property, and denial of the very rights America STANDS for! We ARE actively resisting THE TERRORISTS, our soldiers are doing the very best. But it's not active OR passive resistance to do the things that are going on in our country today.

Essentially, by damaging real mosques, denying them permits, etc., praying and being who they are is precisely what we're not allowing.

There are no "rights" of the those opposed to the COMMUNITY CENTER which are being infringed upon; the ONLY rights being infringed upon are property rights and freedom of religion, by opposing it. That you can't see that is incredible, especially given how much you and your friends scream about the inviolability of the Constitution!



Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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