Seeing so many hate proud white people...What is Racism
POSTED BY: kaneman
UPDATED: Saturday, September 4, 2010 16:43
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The Beast's ancestors.
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NIKI2 (astonishingly hypocritical) wrote:
"So let me be very clear: I find nothing wrong with hooring, loving, being grateful to or anything ELSE when it comes to a person's ancestors; my only dislike is the idea of taking CREDIT for what they did. Is that clearer?"
In a thread about the injustice of systemic racism against white people, that is justified soley on the acts of their ancestors, that statement is hilarious. So, let me be clear..you dislike the idea of someone taking CREDIT for what their ancestors did, but you don't mind someone being discrimanated against and blamed for what their ances.......Blah, forget it, like talking to an egg.
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Affirmative action should only be for black decendents of Slavery. And it should have a time table.....Or should we do it forever?
I haven't read the entire thread yet, so someone may have already addressed this. Are you honestly going to leave native Americans (both Amerindians and Hispanics of the Southwest) out of this equation? They have suffered as much discrimination as blacks, and their lands stolen. The fact that many Africans were sold into slavery by other Africans should actually place native Americans higher on the list of peoples we owe restitution.
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No. We gave native Americans land and casinos. Settled up. Hispanics are less than dogs in my eyes, they get nothing. The money we should have given them is all used up on paying for illegals and washing their graffiti off of our lovely bridges and buildings......Next you will be asking for affirmative action for women from men because we bang them, impregnate them, and as a result their pussies get stretched out...Is that what you want?
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Hispanics are only crossing the border that we moved on them in the first place.
I'm sure some of what you just said was meant in sarcasm, but if not, you're more of a menace than anyone from any other race.
In the immortal words of Bobby Singer, "You're such an idjit!"
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Shoulda just bought the slaves and freed them, like the French did. Would have cost less than the Civil War, probably.
Native Americans DID get a bad rap. But it's hard to call who had it worse, blacks or the tribes; on one hand the tribes were subject to genocide and the relocation, on the other, once they were relocated they were mostly left alone except for ignorant missionaries and government agents taking away their children to reeducate them. But then blacks intentionally had their families split apart, couldn't get an education, were forced into manual labor and suffered rape and physical abuse.
As for Hispanics in the Texas and Louisiana purchase area, I don't know, maybe sort of a little like Native Americans if you squint. We fought a war against them, sure, probably did steal their land, but didn't systematically try to wipe out their culture and language. Probably because they were still at least recognizably European.
Only possible form of restitution I can see is education, but the education system is going to require a lot of fixes before it evenly meets the needs of every population.
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Hispanics are only crossing the border that we moved on them in the first place.
Mmm, while there might be some Latino and Chicano student unions who claim rights to the land and espouse some sort of La Razza nationalism, I don't think that's the primary motivation of the migrant worker who's doing the actual border hopping.
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Originally posted by kaneman:
Hispanics are less than dogs in my eyes, they get nothing.
Let's all remember this the next time this douchebag denies being a racist.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Cav, I agree with your explanation of pride in heritage. My opinion is MY opinion, and may well be a result of my not really having any “heritage”. But if I were to be proud of my ancestors, shouldn’t I also be ashamed of the bad things they’ve done; i.e., slavery, Japanese internment camps, destruction of the native inhabitants, abuses of Chinese laborers, racism, etc., racism against Blacks and others (and I would add destruction of the herds of buffalo and the way it was done, eradication of wolves and so many other predators as we populated the country, pollution of our water, air and land, and on and on). If I were to take pride in their accomplishments, I would also have to be ashamed of others.
There I recognize that I indulge in the latter without indulging in the former; I AM proud of America in general in what we have attempted to do with this “experiment”, but it’s a general pride, not one felt for my individual ancestors, and equally I am ashamed of some of what they have done. That’s a personal feeling.
I do, however, recognize the desire to make a better life for those who follow and that it is a natural human impetus.
Byte, I take your point and it is valid to me. I would argue, however, that “family cultures” are also pitted against one another, and via that very culture which is engendered IN the family. Maybe that’s part of it for me; I reject the culture I was born into, to a degree, and accept the cultures I chose for myself. To say family cultures aren’t pitted against one another is to ignore the obvious; ergo I see little relevance in that argument. In fact, family cultures, to me, engender MORE negativity toward other cultures than those we choose by following our own chosen values.
Kane, I recognized what you said above, before I read your post. It’s a valid point; I see more of the negativity in what our ancestors created than positive, and in that I am wrong. I still make the argument that I DO balance it out to a degree by the fact that I am VERY proud of what they created insofar as the laws and intentions of this country. I’m not sure if my more-negative view is a result of my not having “family culture”, but I do applaud the things in our past which our ancestors built to a degree, I just don’t think they are 100% laudable. If that doesn’t make sense to you, there’s nothing I can do about it. Bear in mind that I HAVE no specific “family culture”...my mother was 100% French...so how can I be proud of that half of my ancestry (given I am prejudiced against the French for many reasons). I would be divided, if I chose to. My ancestors on that side had nothing to do with building America or anything it stands for, for the most part.
Gordon, I agree 100%, and I think it’s a very valid point. The Native Americans WERE mentioned by someone, but it doesn’t lessen the validity of your point, and nobody else has brought up the Mexicans or other races except you and myself, I believe. (But now I have to come back and thank you, as well, because the question of other races WAS addressed subsquent to your bringing them up.) The concept that we “paid back” Native Americans for giving them land—then shoving it off it because we wanted it and driving them to other, less viable land, over and over, until they are left with virtually uninhabitable land and stuck in poverty...casinos don’t make up for that, and corrupted whites made (maybe “make” still) most of the money off them. The corruption of those who regulate what happens to Native Americans is abhorrent and unconscionable.
As to Mexicans, I won’t even discuss that it’s so egregious...except for the fact that is by far and away WHITE youngsters who create graffiti. In that respect I also agree 100% with your subsequent response.
Byte, I agree with your response 100%; also your subsequent post.
Story, hon, we don’t need to remember that to remember he’s racist...tho’ it’s hard to tell whether he’s being sarcastic or not, I tend to think he’s not, given previous co
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Byte, I take your point and it is valid to me. I would argue, however, that “family cultures” are also pitted against one another, and via that very culture which is engendered IN the family.
I had four hours of sleep last night. Brain says "Hwuh?" Clarification needed.
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To say family cultures aren’t pitted against one another is to ignore the obvious; ergo I see little relevance in that argument.
Did I say that? I don't recall having said that.
My take is culture itself has a few traits that define it, separate from unfortunate associations and values which may be dropped or adopted. You can be raised with a very latino culture, or some kind of inner city black culture, or as a white southerner, and not actually end up with any any urge to assert your culture or attack disliked cultures.
But certain cultures are created intentionally to attack or be attacked. Look at, say, a school yard and styles and attitudes and the labels kids put on themselves. "freaks" vs. "geeks," both of them versus "jocks" and "preps." And, in the adult world, sometimes, right wing versus left wing.
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