Ariel - and Mal's forgiveness

POSTED BY: TauSetiPrime
UPDATED: Monday, August 2, 2004 02:19
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TAUSETIPRIME

Monday, July 19, 2004 12:31 PM

Ive watched this a couple times. I cant help wondering what was Mal's reason for letting Jayne back in the ship

He's on his crew.....but....

What was the redeaming action that told Mal he couldnt kill Jayne?

The dialog they have at the end of the episode doesnt seem like enough in comparison to other scenarios we've seen Mal in.

Is there something about Jayne I'm missing?

Mal:

I wasn't askin'.....I was tellin'.....

LIZ

Monday, July 19, 2004 12:42 PM

i think it's the remorse. the fact that he says "make something up. don't tell 'em what i done." Jayne feels guilty about turning on them. i think the way that Simon looked at him like he was a hero just made him re-think turning on him. or maybe hearing the screams of the people killed by the blue hand people made him think about what they must have done to River. For whatever reason Jayne didn't want to be thought of as a traitor and that remorse was enough for Mal to allow him to stay. (not enough to let him inside for a while though. )

BRITCHICK

Monday, July 19, 2004 12:57 PM

I agree with Liz. The fact that Jayne did not want Simon and River to know it was him, showed that he was ashamed and regretted what he had done.

Up until that point he had just been making excuses.

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REGINLEIF

Monday, July 19, 2004 1:30 PM

I'm not sure Mal intended to kill Jayne at all. I think it's more something of reminding him who's the boss, and to get back into line. Jayna is a useful crew mamber, after all. But he was beginning to become a bit dangerous. So Mal had to have this talk with him, sometimes. Jayne gave him the oppurtunity and reason, but when I saw this at first I thought: "Finally! This had to happen sometime!". So I don't think he let Jayne back after something, I think he meant to let him back on, just warn him and give him time to understand Mal will watch him.

You can't take the sky from me.

KATI

Monday, July 19, 2004 3:26 PM

For me the reason why Mal doesn’t spaced him is that Jayne already accepts that he has to die because he understands that he did wrong.
Jayne really accepts that, he takes his soon coming death as a fact, but he doesn’t want let the other know about his failure. He knows that Mal is going all the way.
It’s just like a last wish of a condemned man (Jayne who knows he’s sentenced to death) to ask his executioner for not telling the others about that.
And that makes Mal thinking it over… and change his mind. Jayne’s fear of death is less than his feelings of guilty for his deed.
That’s it – he knows he deserves it – and Mal knows that Jayne’s not lost for him and the crew because of this. *g* I think Jayne accepts that there are people who’ve got other philosophies than his own (1st money, 2nd money and 3rd money) and that the others aren’t wrong at all… but just are others and never will be his own.
But he understands that there’s something he just has to accept. He will never change his own philosophy, but he learned to accept and to respect the others. A bit at least. He may be illoyal and rude and not likeable but he always was kind of honestly in his own way (showed his feelings and thoughts openminded) – and if the others know of his betrayal he’s not more that “honest” man he was before. That’s why he doesn’t want them to know.

There’s another problem with Ariel, I think. Jayne made no secret of his feelings against the siblings – never, from the beginning on. And after this “He looks better in red”-scene he makes that clear again and speaks about the reward they could have again. Mal knows that.
Why does Mal send Jayne with them into the hospital, why doesn’t he leads them himself and let Zoe and Jayne take such medicaments? Or he could have send Zoe with River and Simon – and go himself together with Jayne. Why the hell he was so prepared to risk this thing?

That's my five cents...

Time for some thrilling heroics.

PURPLEBELLY

Monday, July 19, 2004 3:29 PM

It's because Ariel wasn't written by Whedon or Minear

LIZ

Monday, July 19, 2004 3:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by KATI:
There’s another problem with Ariel, I think. Jayne made no secret of his feelings against the siblings – never, from the beginning on. And after this “He looks better in red”-scene he makes that clear again and speaks about the reward they could have again. Mal knows that.
Why does Mal send Jayne with them into the hospital, why doesn’t he leads them himself and let Zoe and Jayne take such medicaments? Or he could have send Zoe with River and Simon – and go himself together with Jayne. Why the hell he was so prepared to risk this thing?

Jayne had a hard enough time remembering the "we applied the cortical elctrodes..." line -- i wouldn't trust him to remember what to grab.
at least, that's why i wouldn't send him to get the meds.

KATI

Monday, July 19, 2004 4:19 PM

"Jayne had a hard enough time remembering the "we applied the cortical elctrodes..." line -- i wouldn't trust him to remember what to grab.
at least, that's why i wouldn't send him to get the meds."

Oh, LIZ, even Mal had written his arm full of names to remember the meds... *g*

Time for some thrilling heroics.

MER

Monday, July 19, 2004 6:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by KATI:

Oh, LIZ, even Mal had written his arm full of names to remember the meds... *g*

But is Jayne the type to write them all down?

Jayne isn't intirely bad. He does things for the money only because he has a family to help support. He doesn't give a care to anybody (except maybe Kaylee) and I can't wait to find out the reason why.
Sometimes Jayne acts too Spikey...I swear O_O;;

PINGJING

Monday, July 19, 2004 6:32 PM

Kati wrote:
For me the reason why Mal doesn’t spaced him is that Jayne already accepts that he has to die because he understands that he did wrong.
Jayne really accepts that, he takes his soon coming death as a fact, but he doesn’t want let the other know about his failure. He knows that Mal is going all the way.
It’s just like a last wish of a condemned man (Jayne who knows he’s sentenced to death) to ask his executioner for not telling the others about that.
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That's exactly how I understood that scene. Jayne accepts Mal's decision and actually feels shame for what he did, and that's why Mal closes the door.
What I find interesting is that Mal took the intercom thingamajigger with him up the stairs. He wanted to hear what Jayne had to say - in other words, he hadn't given up on him yet. I don't think Mal was entirely bluffing - he was certainly mad enough to kill Jayne - but at the same time I don't think he was really planning to. Or maybe he didn't know whether he was going to go through with it. He just left it up to Jayne.

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