Read this review of Indy 4 and tell me I'm still the only one that liked it!
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 18:36
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Quote:I feel the need to challenge you to a duel!!
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Chris, I can't tell you you're the only one who liked it, but I *CAN* tell you you're not the only one who's wrong!
Pisspot!
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:If you liked Indy 4, you would have fell into eternal love with Indiana Jones and the City of Gods. It was the same story as Indy 4, but no Shia LaBeouf, Indy's son. Here is where you can read that screenplay and decide for yourself: http://file.wikileaks.org/file/indiana-jones-4.pdf
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Heh, Indy 4 rocks, maybe not HARD, but it rocks.
The laughing Chrisisall
The Indy 4 screenplay is hosted by WikiLeaks. The founder of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange, said, "We believe that the way to justice is transparency, and we are clear that the end goal is to expose injustices in the world and try to rectify them." It was a grotesque injustice that this perfect Indy 4 screenplay was revised by a hack writer (not the original writer) before George Lucas would allow it to be filmed.
For people interested in why one Indy 4 screenplay is far better than the other Indy 4, there are 50 pro and 50 con reasons from a writer for Script Magazine:
http://mysterymanonfilm.blogspot.com/2008/06/50-strengths-of-darabonts
-draft.html
http://mysterymanonfilm.blogspot.com/2008/05/50-flaws-of-indy-iv.html
The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two
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I was always with you on the enjoying new indy side chris. Is it as good as the previous ones? probably not. But it's not cause of any fantastical or nonsensical elements. I still thought it was alright.
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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
A frontal lobotomy from Reavers is better than Revenge of the Sith. . .
Sums it up.
'Cause Reavers are COOL!!!
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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Yeah, Lucas' crayon-scribbles on the script were annoying, but enough of Spielberg's magic shone through to justify it.
You know, people assume it was Lucas adding the goofier stuff in Indy 4, and that may be true, but there's a 100 page transcript of the story meetings from Raiders of the Lost Arc, and throughout the whole thing, Spielberg is the one proposing the more preposterous stuff, and it's Lucas who keeps dialing it down to the Indy we know...
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Oh, and for the record, I consider Revenge o0f the Sith and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull to be about equal - both somewhat entertaining, but highly flawed installments that pale next to the original.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Here we go again....
The reviewer is right about the implausibility of surviving both the raft fall and nuked fridge. And there are other implausable scenes in both movies (and the others) and I can completely agree that that is part of what makes Indy great, that he can and will survive these escapades. On it's own the nuked fridge wouldn't make a bad film.
But....it's not the only thing that's wrong with Crystal Skull by a long way IMO.
The main points of which are:
The Nuked Fridge - I could live with him surviving the fall inside it (it is Indy after all) but to walk away was a bit much. They could have at least had an ambulance turn up and see him in hospital with a bandage.
Mutt's Tarzan impression - I mean come on it's one thing for Indy to do something like that but Mutt isn't Indy even if they are father/son. Indy's been doing crazy stuff his whole life, this kid's just started.
Mutt's jeep swordfight - I can go with the fact that he had fencing lessons at college but to acheive the balance on very rough ground, across vehicles and to take on a highly trained enemy whilst having a conversation with his Mum was just way too far.
Harrison Ford - He was too old. Most of the time he shuffled rather than walked. Not his fault but the film should have been made years earlier.
Karen Allen - Where was the feisty, tough Marion from Raiders? Where was her acting ability? She just seemed to follow the others like a lost puppy.
John Rhys Davies - I don't know why he wasn't in the movie, it may have been his choice, but they could of at least mentioned him. They gave Denholm Elliot and Sean Connery their moments.
The rat/gopher things - Had no place in the movie. Too silly to discuss any further.
The humour - A tradematk of Indy films. Where was it? Most of it fell flat, the timing was off or it just wasn't there.
Ray Winstone - Very badly underused. It was so obvious he was working for the other side yet with a little tweaking it could have been a real surprise.
The CGI - Didn't look right. Reminded me of the older movies with the fake moving backdrops where you can tell they aren't really there.
The plot - I'm okay with it being aliens and Russians as it fits the time period but nothing changed by having Indy there. He didn't save anything or anyone that he couldn't have done by just going home after rescuing Marion etc.
It didn't feel like an Indy film - This is more of a personal thing and is certainly influenced by the above factors but it didn't have that spark or specialness that the others did. It didn't feel like an Indy movie should. It had moments like the main theme, his hat and shadow, the opening warehouse scene but they were too few.
I consider Revenge Of The Sith to be a better movie than Crystal Skull. I consider Phantom Menace to be a better film (just) which is probably a more accurate comparison as they were the first films released after a long wait.
I was more disappointed walking out of Crystal Skull than I have been for almost any other movie. And it's not all Lucas's fault, they all made the movie, they spent years saying no to ideas and scripts so they could have said no this time.
Hopefully they will say no next time. Unless they go in the direction of a certain Captain we all know....
"The greatest invention ever is not the wheel. It's the second wheel." - Rich Hall
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Karen Allen - Where was the feisty, tough Marion from Raiders? Where was her acting ability? She just seemed to follow the others like a lost puppy.
This!
Also, John Rhys Davies... what's the deal ? Ever since LOTR, he's shown up in some pretty crap sci-fi movies. I mean, REALLY bad! Is he strapped for cash ? Is he a work junkie, and just needs to be doing - something ? Odd that he'd be in Chupacabra and not Indy4.
It's silly to go over all this again. The story was clumsy, the humor was flat , and the manner in which Indy and Marion were reintroduced... after all these years..... just didn't work
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Originally posted by lwaves:
Mutt's jeep swordfight - I can go with the fact that he had fencing lessons at college but to acheive the balance on very rough ground, across vehicles and to take on a highly trained enemy whilst having a conversation with his Mum was just way too far.
In that fight, one of the first vehicles destroyed was the saw truck, yet after that, the forest road became infinite?? That took me out of the movie.
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John Rhys Davies - I don't know why he wasn't in the movie, it may have been his choice, but they could of at least mentioned him. They gave Denholm Elliot and Sean Connery their moments.
I think Sallah lives around the Mideast, so I didn't really expect him in Indy 4. Although, he did ride into the sunset with everybody else in 'Crusade'. Hmm... you're right, he should have been in.
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Face it, it was crap. The fact that you continue to deny this make me wonder if you enjoyed King Solomons Mine with Richard Chamberlain. 
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