How Can I Prove I am Not a Racist?
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The whole "Tea Party is Racist" this is an absurd propagandistic position. The goal is to discourage good sane people from joining the tea party.
The best thing to do about it is laugh at it. Which is what it deserves. Then point out how thoroughly racist the opposition is, and how long this has been true for, and how it will always be true.
I think getting defensive about it is a bad idea. You just lend credence to a completely non-credible position. It reminds me a little bit of how AIPAC paints any opposition to their agenda as anti-semetism, rather than political disagreement. People on the left who are trying to paint the tea party as racist are completely aware that it isn't true, but my experience life long is that people with a political goal don't tend to care whether something is true or not, they care what effect it will have.
Personally, I'm more concerned that corporate corruption is creeping into the Tea Party, and should be nipped in the bud.
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
The whole "Tea Party is Racist" this is an absurd propagandistic position. The goal is to discourage good sane people from joining the tea party.
Which is EXACTLY the goal of saying idiotic things like "Obama's a Socialist!"
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The best thing to do about it is laugh at it. Which is what it deserves. Then point out how thoroughly racist the opposition is, and how long this has been true for, and how it will always be true.
Which is also the best way to deal with tea-baggers. Laugh at them and point out how thoroughly racist they are, and how long this has been true for, and how it will always be true.
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Personally, I'm more concerned that corporate corruption is creeping into the Tea Party, and should be nipped in the bud.
*IS* creeping? Try *HAS* creeped, in that corporate corruption is what helped to found and spread the Tea Parties. I applaud your efforts to "nip it in the bud". Next maybe you can get Republicans to be financially responsible!
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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.
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Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.
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DT, sometimes you are almost funny, you're so off the wall. It's weird. Denying racism--even if you just want to limit it to the LEADERS of the Tea Party, those who are financing it, is amazing. I already put up MORE than enough actual material to show how wrong you are, so I won't bother to argue the point.
By the way, who is it who owns the Wall Street Journal again?
Crappy, Mike took all the fun out of me pointing out that, in a post about gramatics, you blew it so completely it make me smile. Amazing.
Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
KaneyCheney: Keep going - you said you could provide DOZENS of studies. Let's see 'em. Post 'em all up, all the dozens you can find!
Every post I posted has the study noted. Do your own homework. I've already done mine..Or live in denial with your head up your ass.
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kpo, You must be kidding. Start here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence
With a wikipedia article that is both factually disputed, and accused of systemic bias, hmm. And the article you cut and pasted underneath was not the wikipedia article. Post opinion pieces if you want but please cite them. I note again the scientific concensus, from one of the links in the wiki article(4):
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"Several culturally-based explanations of the Black/White IQ differential have been proposed; some are plausible, but so far none has been conclusively supported. There is even less empirical support for a genetic interpretation. In short, no adequate explanation of the differential between the IQ means of Blacks and Whites is presently available."
Particularly lacking is what I specifically asked for, a proven genetic link to all your racial theories: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence#Molecular_genetics
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"A 2005 literature review article on the links between race and intelligence in American Psychologist stated that no gene has been shown to be linked to intelligence, "so attempts to provide a compelling genetic link of race to intelligence are not feasible at this time".[98] Several candidate genes have been proposed to have a relationship with intelligence.[99][100] However, a review of candidate genes for intelligence published in 2009 by Deary et al. failed to find evidence of an association between these genes and general intelligence, stating "there is still almost no replicated evidence concerning the individual genes, which have variants that contribute to intelligence differences".[69]"
So in the absence of strong genetic evidence, what do you have? Data on behaviour and intelligence that cannot be totally separated from culture and environment. This would be why science on the whole is sceptical of your position.
As I pointed out to you before, culture has a large (and long established) effect, remember this article on 'minority culture' I posted before? http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-inferiorIQ.htm
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"...compare the lower IQ results of other discriminated minorities around the world, many of whom are of the same genetic stock.
Perhaps the most dramatic example is the Northern Irish. Even though they come from the same ethnic group, Catholics (the discriminated minority) score 15 points lower on IQ tests than Protestants."
One last point, a commentary on some of the scientists pursuing the racial research (their names pop up frequently throughout your articles), and the Pioneer fund that supports them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Fund#Criticism
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Criticism
In addition to the funding and the connections to persons and organizations mentioned above, there are reported links between various past contributors to the science journal Mankind Quarterly, which receives funding from Pioneer, and Nazism. Italian biologist and Mankind Quarterly associate editor Corrado Gini authored an article titled "The Scientific Basis of Fascism" and was once a scientific advisor to Italian leader Benito Mussolini. The editorial board member Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer was Josef Mengele's mentor before and during the Holocaust and is suspected of being his collaborator.[25][26][27] The already mentioned Roger Pearson was a former editor.
Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer, circa 1920s–1940s, measures twin girls as part of an anthropometric study of heredity.The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), a nonprofit organization, lists the Pioneer Fund as a hate group citing the fund's history, its funding of race and intelligence research, and its connections with allegedly racist individuals.[24][28]
The Center for New Community, a human rights advocacy organization, mentioned the Pioneer Fund in an article on their website. They characterize the Pioneer Fund as "a white supremacist foundation that specializes in funding 'science' dedicated to demonstrating white intellectual and moral superiority." They drNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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kpo, You must be kidding. Start here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence
With a wikipedia article that is both factually disputed, and accused of systemic bias, hmm. And the article you cut and pasted underneath was not the wikipedia article. Post opinion pieces if you want but please cite them.
I note again the scientific concensus, from one of the links in the wiki article(4):
"Several culturally-based explanations of the Black/White IQ differential have been proposed; some are plausible, but so far none has been conclusively supported. There is even less empirical support for a genetic interpretation. In short, no adequate explanation of the differential between the IQ means of Blacks and Whites is presently available."
Particularly lacking is what I specifically asked for, a proven genetic link to all your racial theories: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence#Molecular_genetics
"A 2005 literature review article on the links between race and intelligence in American Psychologist stated that no gene has been shown to be linked to intelligence, "so attempts to provide a compelling genetic link of race to intelligence are not feasible at this time".[98] Several candidate genes have been proposed to have a relationship with intelligence.[99][100] However, a review of candidate genes for intelligence published in 2009 by Deary et al. failed to find evidence of an association between these genes and general intelligence, stating "there is still almost no replicated evidence concerning the individual genes, which have variants that contribute to intelligence differences".[69]"
So in the absence of strong genetic evidence, what do you have? Data on behaviour and intelligence that cannot be totally separated from culture and environment. This would be why science on the whole is sceptical of your position.
As I pointed out to you before, culture has a large (and long established) effect, remember this article on 'minority culture' I posted before? http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-inferiorIQ.htm
"...compare the lower IQ results of other discriminated minorities around the world, many of whom are of the same genetic stock.
Perhaps the most dramatic example is the Northern Irish. Even though they come from the same ethnic group, Catholics (the discriminated minority) score 15 points lower on IQ tests than Protestants."
One last point, a commentary on some of the scientists pursuing the racial research (their names pop up frequently throughout your articles), and the Pioneer fund that supports them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Fund#CriticismQuote:
Criticism
In addition to the funding and the connections to persons and organizations mentioned above, there are reported links between various past contributors to the science journal Mankind Quarterly, which receives funding from Pioneer, and Nazism. Italian biologist and Mankind Quarterly associate editor Corrado Gini authored an article titled "The Scientific Basis of Fascism" and was once a scientific advisor to Italian leader Benito Mussolini. The editorial board member Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer was Josef Mengele's mentor before and during the Holocaust and is suspected of being his collaborator.[25][26][27] The already mentioned Roger Pearson was a former editor.
Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer, circa 1920s–1940s, measures twin girls as part of an anthropometric study of heredity.The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), a nonprofit organization, lists the Pioneer Fund as a hate group citing the fund's history, its funding of race and intelligence research, and its connections with allegedly racist individuals.[24][28]
The Center for New Community, a human rights advocacy organization, mentioned the Pioneer Fund in an article on their website. They characterize the Pioneer Fund as "a white supremacist foundation that specializes in funding 'science' dedicated to demonstrating white intellectual and moral superiority." They draw partiNOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
There is nothing inherently racist in studying what factors make one group of people more successful than others if the goal is to help those that have been economically and socially left behind. The problem I see is that IQ tests and racist interpretations of the resulting Bell Curve do not get to the truth of what the statistics show. Assuming you could account for socioeconomic status and education(which is not possible in my opinion), there are many different ways of looking at the meaning of average intelligence. In an ideal IQ test, education wouldn't even be a factor, but in reality the critical thinking skills developed in the education process do make people effectively more intelligent. That's not to say that those skills can not be learned independently of formal education. One problem that makes intelligence so difficult to measure is the fact that the difference between the smartest normal human and the dumbest is very small. I person of average intelligence who receives an excellent education will to all appearances be more intelligent than an uneducated genius. Just because the average intelligence of a race appears at a low point on the Bell Curve says nothing about who is the smartest and the dumbest. One hundred percent of the top million smartest people on Earth could be of one race and that race on average could still fall at the lower end of the Bell Curve. Most likely the groups that fall on the low end of the curve are just not trained to use their brains for critical thinking from a young age and therefor are disadvantaged for their entire lives.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Now go back and proofread yourself. THINK about what you're typing. If you're going to lecture others on words and claim that words matter, you really should see to your own house first. Your posts are generally a word salad of unrelated and incorrect wording ("a usual suspects", "what so ever", "crap their heard others say", etc.).
You really are in no position to lecture anyone on... well, ANYTHING - especially grammar and vocabulary!
Those too cowardly to discuss ideas, and instead fuss over typos and grammatical errors on message boards only go to show just how juvenile their are, as well as how intellectually vacant are their arguments.
That you go back and put in words into sentences already posted, so as to gain some sort of meaningless 'victory',proves your insecurity.
The phony "racist" label the naaLcp wants to place on the Tea Party is worse than crying wolf. The race baiters have sadly resorted to this sort of nonsense as a means of dismissing any argument they don't agree with and can't argue against.
Quote:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,380143,00.html
Texas County Official Sees Race in Term 'Black Hole'
DALLAS — What do "black hole," "angel food cake," and "devil's food cake" have in common?
They're all racist terms, says a Dallas County, Texas, official.
A county commissioners' meeting this week over traffic tickets turned into a tense discussion over race when one commissioner said the county's collections office was like a certain astronomical phenomenon.
"It sounds like Central Collections has become a black hole," Commissioner Kenneth Mayfield, who is white, said during the Monday meeting.
One black official demanded an apology, and Commissioner John Wiley Price, who also is black, said that type of language is unacceptable.
At the meeting, Mayfield said he intended his comments to be taken in the context of the scientific meaning, and became upset that he was being misunderstood.
In astronomy, the term black hole refers to a star that has collapsed upon itself, creating something so dense and small that it does not have any physical properties besides a gravitational force so great that even light cannot escape its pull.
Later, Price told MyFOXdfw.com that he believed it and other terms were racist.
"So if it's 'angel food cake,' it's white. If it's 'devil's food cake,' it's black. If you're the 'black sheep of the family,' then you gotta be bad, you know. 'White sheep,' you're okay. You know?" Price said.
Price said people should watch their words when it comes to stereotypes.
"I think people should always be careful. You know, I'm okay if I'm 'bartering' with you. ... But if I try to 'Jew you down,' Oooooh. Is that racist? I thought it meant the same thing? No, maybe it doesn't."
The world-renowned physicist Stephen Hawking might have a solution to the problem over perception of the astronomical term. He refers to the phenomenon as "a singularity." [/quo
Of course, Price omits the financial / marketing term of " being in the black ", which means profitable, or not in debt.
See how absurd and petty this argument can get ? And the naacLp is guilty of dragging us all down to this mindlessly pointless game.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Those too cowardly to discuss ideas, and instead fuss over typos and grammatical errors on message boards only go to show just how juvenile their are, as well as how intellectually vacant are their arguments.
Ah. So you admit just how juvenile "your" are, as well as how intellectually vacant are your arguments, since you felt the need to go into a lecture in sophistry and semantics towards another, eh? How very typically cowardly of you, at least according to your own rules of behavior!
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That you go back and put in words into sentences already posted, so as to gain some sort of meaningless 'victory',proves your insecurity.
Yes, it IS sad indeed that you feel the need to alter quotes and clip out inconvenient words in order to try to "prove" your point, when in point of fact you HAVE no point at all!
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The phony "racist" label the naaLcp wants to place on the Tea Party is worse than crying wolf. The race baiters have sadly resorted to this sort of nonsense as a means of dismissing any argument they don't agree with and can't argue against.
And the phony "crying wolf" and "race baiting" labels you put on anyone who points out your racism, and the racism inherent in your tea-bagging friends, is just your way of dismissing any argument you don't agree with and can't argue against, and refuse to face. You're a coward of the worst kind, because you can't even face YOUR OWN PREJUDICES.
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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.
Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.
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kwickie
are you ever going to evolve beyond the argument style of a child ?
Seriously. Do you really get any sense of satisfaction in parroting back , with out any evidence or substantive examples to prove your pont ?
Oh,that's right, you have no point. You're just a sad, pathetic loser who lives to insult others on a message board.
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