system or galaxy - what are the facts?
POSTED BY: Tiger
UPDATED: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 21:46
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RE: Earth, I was talking hypothetically. And quite frankly, I'd rather they sent out a test mission first as opposed to sending the whole species out at once and hoping. Ever heard of not putting all your eggs in one basket? And very few planet-wide disasters come so fast as to prevent a test run... nothing that wouldn't annihilate the species before they had the chance to get out of the first committee meeting, anyway.
And no matter how much the passage of time depends on personal perception (and it does, no two ways about it) the moment you looked at the ship's chronometer and saw fifty years or whatever had passed, you'd say "hey, I've aged, like, a week and fifty years have gone by; freaky!" Cryogenics can't stop aging, just make it happen really really slowly.
And to begin with, I imagine there'd be lots of sombre expressions and people checking the calender and saying "the Earth has been dead for a hundred years this day... let us pray". They won't forget where they've come from... not for a while anyway.
Mal: "We're not gonna die. We can't die, Bendis. You know why? Because we are so... very... pretty. We are just too pretty for God to let us die."
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I hereby recognise the futility of attempting to 'argue' with someone who has their own very strong ideas about how the worlds of Firefly are arranged. Could be right, could be wrong. Only person who can say so is Mr Whedon, if he ever does. Whatever works, works.
In other words... we could keep banging our heads against our own respective walls for all eternity and get nowhere, and I can't be arsed 
Mal: "We're not gonna die. We can't die, Bendis. You know why? Because we are so... very... pretty. We are just too pretty for God to let us die."
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Originally posted by RelFexive:
I hereby recognise the futility of attempting to 'argue' with someone who has their own very strong ideas about how the worlds of Firefly are arranged.
No offense, but that sounds like a cheap way out to me. Especially considering I don't have strong opinions on the matter. I was a supporter of the multiple system theory until I examined the evidence more closely and heard more plausible explanations than those supporting the multiple system one.
I changed my views once based on logic and I am perfectly willing to do it again. All that you must do to change my mind is present me with evidence. Provided you are as open minded there is nothing to be lost by debating this and it can be productive.
To stop now is like admitting you are wrong, why do that if you don’t believe it to be true? I only ask that you stop saying “I would rather” and use it as a fact, stop stating something that is debatable as if it is an absolute, and read posts.
I don’t consider that to be unreasonable, and unless you do I fail to see are reason to stop. We only bang our heads against the wall for eternity is if we don’t actually listen to each other with open minds.
Present your evidence, it won’t take long. I want to hear it. So far I have only heard two arguments for multiple systems. Only two. Why not share the rest? It’s not like your wasting your life by doing it.
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This discussion is of no importance to me, I'm afraid. I just commented on the other stuff.
Whatever works, works, remember?
I'm a RPGer, I like having things like this sufficiently defined as much as anyone. I've defined it enough for me, and I'm not interested in conversions.
As I said before...
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Originally posted by RelFexive:
...I can't be arsed
Mal: "We're not gonna die. We can't die, Bendis. You know why? Because we are so... very... pretty. We are just too pretty for God to let us die."
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WHO RUTTIN CARES....ITS FIREFLY...ITS MIGHTY...AND IT ROCKS.....DOES!IT!MAKE!ANY!DIFFERENCE.....NO....NOT...NOW...NOT....EVER....PLEASE...PLEASE...STOP....GIVING A GORRAM ABOUT THIS.
ITS NOT WORTH A THREAD.....THERE ARE MOONS AND PLANETS...AND ROCKS...AND HUGE DISTANCES BETWEEN EVERYTHING.....HUGE. DISTANCES. BETWEEN. EVERYTHING.
JUST ENJOY THE SHOW....WATCH IT FOR THE SHOW....THE CAST...THE INTERACTIONS...THE FIGHTS..THE HUMOR...THE NICE WARM GLOW OF KNOWING THIS IS SPECIAL....JUST FOR GORRAM SAKES STOP ARGUING ABOUT THIS SILLY ARGUMENT....
DONG MA
Nothing can escape the event horizon. Light, matter, and especially Twinkies.
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Please keep arguing, guys. It's better than hitting eachother. Or even shouting at people that aren't likely to listen. Have I told you about Purplebelly's Denouement? 
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Originally posted by Tiger:
The drama of Firefly takes place in one star system. Here are the facts:
1. In all their travels, our BDHs never speak of other star systems.
Yes the do. In Train Job, one of the alliance guys (ok, so not a BDH) says there was a robbery in the "Georgia System". In Ariel Simon says "River, the doctors here are the
best in the system."
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Originally posted by Tiger:
2. The blue hands guy says, "We didn't come 80 million miles..." This is an interplanetary distance, not an interstellar one.
Because the writers don't care about such things ;)
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Now I know you're just replying to one post, but you picked the wrong one if your interesting in contributing to the debate rather than simply trying to prove someone wrong.
However, even though the points are really small compared to others brought up, I’ll respond.
The fact is that there is a “Jupiter system” right here in this star system. So the “Georgia System” is necessarily another STAR system.
Second, he said “other” star systems. On the first example you gave you ignored the word “star” in the second you ignored the word “other”. When someone says the, “The doctors here are some of the best on the planet,” which they often do, that doesn’t mean there are other planets with doctors on them.
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As for your second point, well I can’t speak as to whether the writers cared or not, but what that translates to in the multiple systems theory is “We didn’t come [far] less than eight minutes…” Sort of kills the effect of it doesn’t it? I don’t picture the writers as making mistakes that large.
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