Michael Moores' F 9/11... will you see it?

POSTED BY: Ghoulman
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 3, 2004 20:30
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GHOULMAN

Wednesday, July 14, 2004 9:33 PM

^^ yes, yes, we all know about Christopher Hitchens politics.

Christopher Hitchens is a liar... so called journalists like him LIED TO THE PEOPLE.

And this article... man! What crap! look... I'll post a little...

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Fahrenheit 9/11 makes the following points about Bin Laden and about Afghanistan, and makes them in this order:

1) The Bin Laden family (if not exactly Osama himself) had a close if convoluted business relationship with the Bush family, through the Carlyle Group.

Huh? Isn't that the Saudi Royal family CH means? The connection with the Bin Ladin family isn't a direct business relation and F9/11 simply doesn't make this statement.

The movie points out how connected the Bin Ladens are (big construction people... if you build anything in the middle-east it's with the Bin Ladens) NOT that there is a direct connection.

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2) Saudi capital in general is a very large element of foreign investment in the United States.

Yea... but CH makes it sound like the Bushies didn't have over a billion dollars of direct business with the Saudies. Which they did.

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3) The Unocal company in Texas had been willing to discuss a gas pipeline across Afghanistan with the Taliban, as had other vested interests.

What the fuck is that supposed to mean? When I see anyone talking to the murderous Taliban... grr! kill them all!

Oh, I see, the Taliban came to Halliburton (not Carlysle) first... riiiight. A fundamentalist terrorist junte contacted the Bush people and suggested a pipeline... right. Sure. Crap!

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4) The Bush administration sent far too few ground troops to Afghanistan and thus allowed far too many Taliban and al-Qaida members to escape.

Well, that's a fair cop. This part of Moores movie can easily be seen as crap. And it is as presented. But I still agree with Moores point - the actions in Afganistan were half-hearted and did, in the opinion of many, let Osama go free as a bird.

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5) The Afghan government, in supporting the coalition in Iraq, was purely risible in that its non-army was purely American.

OK. This is a critisism of Moore? This CH guy just likes filler lines I think.

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6) The American lives lost in Afghanistan have been wasted. (This I divine from the fact that this supposedly "antiwar" film is dedicated ruefully to all those killed there, as well as in Iraq.)

Oh... Chris is "divining" things now. Note to any aspiring journalists... you are NOT allowed to divine, guess, or bullshit when writing for the AMERICAN PEOPLE FUCKO! Sheesh.

And if you read the entire article, CH doesn't even refute what he listed above. He just blathers on and on...

Christopher Hitchens is a well known liar and bastard who is roundly hated by anyone with even a thimble full of integrity when it comes to journalism. Look, I will simply look at anything written by this.. this... excrible man as anything but well paid for propagana. Paid by whom? Well... that's a whole other story... heh heh.

HORKUS

Wednesday, July 14, 2004 9:37 PM

Dude....calm down.

http://www.davidkopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.ht
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5335853/site/newsweek/

GHOULMAN

Wednesday, July 14, 2004 9:42 PM

Sorry. *chuckle*... I type fast! And I really hate that guy.

Do a search like this: "Christopher Hitchens" +liar

And you will see something of what I mean. Myself, I'vwe read his work before and HATE IT! Oh, there I go again. Don't take my posts that seriously... like others do.

I just let it hang out.

GHOULMAN

Wednesday, July 14, 2004 9:44 PM

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Originally posted by Horkus:
Dude....calm down.

http://www.davidkopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.ht
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5335853/site/newsweek/

Yea, we know the National Review is the PREMIER right wing news source.

I'd be far more interested in YOUR opinion upon seeing the movie than just another list of boring links from crappy reporters.

GHOULMAN

Monday, August 23, 2004 5:58 PM

^^^ See how "they" attack Micheal instead of the issues? They call him a liar. They call him a traitor.

But they never... ever... talk about the facts.

SPACEMONKEY

Monday, August 23, 2004 6:08 PM

I've seen it, loved it. It was very one sided, but who cares? This movie didn't chance my mind about *cough* Bush *cough*, as I hate how he's running this country.

Even if only HALF of what is said is true, Bush and company have ALOT to explain.

The worst thing that could happen to us is if Bush gets reelected. I'll move to Canada and change my citizenship if he does.

I'll also be the first in line to vote him out.

-SP

HKCAVALIER

Tuesday, August 31, 2004 4:34 AM

Well Senator John McCain won't see it, but that didn't keep him from slamming it on national tv this evening. Damn it, I expected better from him. F 9/11 did not depict Iraq as a paradise, it depicted Iraq as a place where we are killing thousands of ordinary people. And counting how many people Hussein killed does not make that okay. Hussein is out of the picture now and we continue to kill thousands of ordinary people. It is a reality of war, so if you're gonna go to war, you better expect that folks are gonna point out that women and children die and you better be able to take it. Don't go blame the messenger.

Nobody ever talks about the real subject of that movie, anyway, which is the mother from Michigan and her son who died for a war he didn't believe in and her family trying to grieve. Nobody has anything to say about the whole second three quarters of the movie. It really makes me sick sometimes.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

SIGMANUNKI

Tuesday, August 31, 2004 4:45 AM

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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:

Over at Washington Post, Jeff Morley talks about how Michael Moore as a person behaves and appears (to foreign presses) to be no more than the average "ugly American" that he decries and portrays in his movies. Dispensing ill-conceived political advices to citizens of foreign countries - strictly from a completely geo-centric view of an "ugly American".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46304-2004Jul13.html

As someone, who is foreign, I must say that this is the most laughable thing that I have heard in a *long* time. MM is *not* preceived in this way where I live (Canada), nor elsewhere where I read the papers from (England, Scotland) nor where my wife reads her papers from (Germany also involving some general EU opinions).

Perhaps this man from the *Washingon* Post should get out more and talk to use foreigners before saying such things. I'd bet he'd get a better picture that way.

----
"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

JASONZZZ

Tuesday, August 31, 2004 5:08 AM

Good God, this thread reared it's ugly head *AGAIN*?
Let it rest. The DVD is going to come out in another month and MM will reap another cool $100M. All while spewing ugly lies and feeding his fat mouth with Big Macs and Krispy Kreme. Disgusting. That's *YOUR* money he is taking and laughing all the way to the bank with it.

AND

gosh! Shock! Surprise! People in other countries like Germany, Italy, Korea and Canada (etc, etc) don't all speak in one single unitary voice!? What madness, and here I thought that they were all drones and the reporters must be their mouth organs.
This I've got to see, since I am quite apparently wrong. The quotes were completely taken and translated wrong, b/c your friends and associates *REALLY* and truly represent that one single voice for all countries that are un-American. well! learn something every single day I say.

CREVANREAVER

Tuesday, August 31, 2004 5:41 AM

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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
MM will reap another cool $100M. All while spewing ugly lies and feeding his fat mouth with Big Macs and Krispy Kreme.

THE WEBSITE BELOW IS A MUST SEE!!!

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

And by the way, John McCain is a true American hero!

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