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River Tam Vs Luke Skywalker

POSTED BY: two
UPDATED: Thursday, July 8, 2010 18:49
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TWO

Sunday, July 4, 2010 7:31 PM

Traci Brandenburg (“nirelle”) shows the awesome effects of Skywalker's Jedi mind control versus River's psychic powers.
http://nirelle.deviantart.com/art/Luke-Skywalker-Vs-River-Tam-17003781
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The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

BYTEMITE

Monday, July 5, 2010 1:51 AM

Well, technically Luke would have to know Force Choke or Force Lightning, which I don't think he does. He can do the telekinesis thing, to try to hit River with rocks or stuff, but she'll be able to anticipate that. Just like he'd be able to anticipate her in a lightsaber versus corosis weave reaver axe battle.

But she'd also be jumping around like Yoda, and throwing kicks, so it'd be pretty nuts.

Luke kinda actually sucks with his lightsaber, I think River would own him close quarters. Long distance, stalemate.

RAHLMACLAREN

Monday, July 5, 2010 5:39 AM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Well, technically Luke would have to know Force Choke or Force Lightning, which I don't think he does.

Watch Return of the Jedi again (just for the hell of it). Luke uses Force Choke on Jabba's guards. Force Lightning is supposed to be a Palpatine/evil only thing; as in, he's so old, he mastered lightning.

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But she'd also be jumping around like Yoda, and throwing kicks, so it'd be pretty nuts.

Yoda was CGI. That's cheating. (You think that's air he's breathing?) How about Darth Maul?

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Luke kinda actually sucks with his lightsaber...

He beat Darth Vader didn't he? That used to be a big deal.

Different characters have different fighting stances.

-Darth Vader has a strong stance. It's slower, but he'll knock you down. Why deflect laser fire when your glove just absorbs it! Awesome.

-Luke is in the middle of the road. He can deflect laser fire, and still push back when sabers are locked, but not too much.

-River would use the fast stance. She can deflect a hell of a lot of laser fire, and strike weak spots fast. Can get knocked back easy, though.

I'm leaning slightly towards River, in that Luke has gotten the crap kicked out of him A LOT.

Let's see: Knocked out by Sand People; knocked out by Wampa creature (bacta bath and he's back!); blown out window and "landed" on the bridge thing (lucky he may be, that's still got to hurt); hand cut off (good luck finding THAT.); falls out Ewok net, and R2 lands on his head (I'd say, that's unconfirmed.

); and microwaved by the Emperor. Also, he had to set fire to the corpse of his dad just hours after "saving" him. Does emotional scarring count?

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FRELLINGBLONDE

Monday, July 5, 2010 5:52 AM

Mama Washy...*dies laughing*

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, July 5, 2010 9:12 AM

I don't recall Jedi having precognition.
Although some deny it, River has shown precog or something imitating it, so she'd avoid the hits better.

GWEK

Monday, July 5, 2010 1:20 PM

I agree that River has demonstrated precognition, but we've never seen that translate into attack avoidance (based on the way the majority of her abilities work, when she fights the Reavers, it seems that she's sensing INTENTION, not the future).

As for Luke sucking at the lightsaber... No, Luke Skywalker is an excellent lightsaber combatant. During the Original Trilogy, he happens to have been played by Mark Hamill, an actor who's not particularly good at it (then again, David Prowse's Vader doesn't look particularly skilled, despite that fact that Vader/Anakin is, like Luke, one of the best lightsaber combatants of his generation).

On Force Lightning: Luke flirts with the dark side more than once, so he does know how to do it. He just choses not to. He also uses a lame light side verion called Emerald Judgement or some crap like that. Lame!

Personally, I think that River would probably beat movie Luke (even RotJ Luke, when he's starting to fully come into his own as a Jedi), but EU Luke--a true Jedi master--would own her.

And even if she defeated movie-era Luke, it would be, at best, a draw. Artoo would stun her once her back was turned, and since he's a droid, he'd be a blank spot in her empathic abilities.

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BYTEMITE

Monday, July 5, 2010 1:41 PM

Technically, Darth Vader/Anakin also appears to suck with a lightsaber. Thing is, when he's Anakin he's got a blue lightsaber, which in the old Jedi Order was the sign of a Jedi who chose the path of the Guardian: basically the not too bright bruisers who rely on brute strength and think in absolutes. But in addition, his method is rather inferior. I suspect both Luke and Anakin are showing the pitfalls of starting their training late.

Luke is a little better than Darth in lightsaber combat, even considering the age difference. He shows a lot of the manner of the Consular path of the Old Order, in that he often tries to talk his way out of trouble and make allies, and uses the Force to augment his combat abilities. And he uses the green lightsaber, which is kind of signature of the path.

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Yoda was CGI. That's cheating. (You think that's air he's breathing?) How about Darth Maul?

Yeah, but she would anyway, and she wouldn't even have to be CGI. You don't think she would? She totally would. She's all dancer gymnast, she could flip around all day at that.

EDIT: ah, GWEK, so it's a matter of the limitation of the medium. Okay, I can make an allowance for that. People have informed abilities in fiction all the time. :) And maybe he gets better over time...

BYTEMITE

Monday, July 5, 2010 1:45 PM

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
I don't recall Jedi having precognition.
Although some deny it, River has shown precog or something imitating it, so she'd avoid the hits better.

Supposedly they do, but it's more in the form of really lame dreams that generally become self-fulfilling prophecies.

CYBERSNARK

Monday, July 5, 2010 2:24 PM

Jedi also have danger sense, which is related to the skill that lets them block blaster-fire, so yes, realtime precognition. Hell, that was one of Anakin's "selling points" to Qui-Gon; he could see (and react) to things before they happened.

Movies aside, a realistic Jedi battle would look more like River taking on the Reavers in Serenity; lots of dodging, tumbling, and acrobatic moves.

OTOH, even as a Jedi Grand Master, Luke isn't the Order's best duellist (that's actually Leia, perhaps surprisingly).

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IMNOTHERE

Wednesday, July 7, 2010 9:49 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

Luke kinda actually sucks with his lightsaber, I think River would own him close quarters. Long distance, stalemate.

River wins, shooting Luke in the head (with a bit of dead tree that turns out to be a gun) while his lightsaber is still in mid vvvroooommmm...

Moral of the story: lightsabers are only effective against other lightsabers or stormtroopers who couldn't hit the side of a barn firing laser bolts that apparently travel at about 30mph max. Do not attempt to use lightsaber against crack-shot psychic girls.