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My heart goes out to the rest of the world....

POSTED BY: kaneman
UPDATED: Monday, July 5, 2010 19:20
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SIGNYM

Saturday, July 3, 2010 3:16 PM

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AND, it wouldn't apply to savings, or investments. Only direct, earned income.

I'd do completely opposite. Investment is income that YOU didn't work for, someone else did. You just skimmed it. It's your reward for being a lazy owner, not a worker...
something we should not be encouraging.

OTOH- I could go for your 5% + 5% IF corporations were taxed the same way: no deducted expenses, no depreciation, no exemptions, no credits.

LOOK HERE FOR HOW YOU ARE TAX-FUCKED, RELATIVE TO CORPORATIONS:
www.pridco.com/english/tax_&_business_incentives/tax_incentives/3.12co
rp_tax_incentives.html

Just straight-across tax on all income. Wouldn't THAT be sweet!

SIGNYM

Saturday, July 3, 2010 3:19 PM

DT... LOVE the map, but... why does Kansas City even register??? Been to KC. It's about as "nowhere" as one can get! What's with KC, anyway?

NIKI2

Saturday, July 3, 2010 3:32 PM

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It's a term that people bandy about when they want others to tow the line or they want to get elected.

Mmmm, well said Magons.

And I like the “where our basketball players come from”, that’s excellent. Yes, we do give a lot, that IS one thing I will give you about Americans; in all my travels and living overseas, and compared to other cultures, I saw them as more-than-average generous. Of course, that’s counting that we’re a very RICH country (or were!), so giving is a bit easier...

That other map is a New York point of view, obviously. I don’t know any of those places...I’d like to see one from the California point of view; should be amusing.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off

GEEZER

Saturday, July 3, 2010 3:36 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
What's with KC, anyway?

Everything's up to date in Kansas City. And Robert Altman's from there.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

FREMDFIRMA

Saturday, July 3, 2010 7:16 PM

You'd be surprised, DT - pretty much the only reason Anime caught on with me it that you can find intriguing, well told stories instead of a remake of a rehash of a remake of a tired old milked to death concept.. HOW many stupid as fuck superhero movies did we have to wince through to get something as sorta passable as Iron Man - and you know that was a one shotter...

But other than a fondness for older Honda engines and some of their artists, I couldn't care much, and I have some seriously deep *issues* with their culture, for a lot of the same damn reasons I got with ours.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori#PDDs_and_autism_spectrum_disor
ders
Readin Shutting out the Sun is very informative cause it applies to both societies, and if you really think it through, explains *WHY* certain personality types simply can not adapt without a tremendous deal of emotional trauma and psychological aberration, so they don't, they slam the door and turn their back upon that society - and in some cases actively declare war on it, although not in so many words and not that most of em really cogitate that's what they're doin...

The cultures I find more tolerable are the ones who managed to find within themselves two things, a certain mutualism based in clan-tribe type bonds, rather common in Iceland, for example, and the idea of having "enough", which is a more Swedish concept.

Ask an american to share and they're like I got mine, fuck you, get your own - and that lack of empathy is a HUGE part of why we got a lotta problems we do... and yet Japan and the actual need, due to population pressure and social order, to suppress individual to the mold, that causes a similar form of the same thing, but is culturally hard to explain to a westerner.

Ask an icelander to share and they're like, sure bro, hey, you got any X ? - it's cultural-reflexive, a share-trade instinct that they wisely never crushed out of their society - the breakpoint on that was when they wound up telling both "sides" of WWII to piss up a rope cause they'd rather die than be somebodys bitch.

Swiss are a bit odd in that the inclination comes without asking, even, more like "Hey, this is more than I need, you want some ?" which seems to work out for them cause culturally they've managed to prettymuch always be who they are, again, by not getting involved in dumbassery or bowing to some other country... although lately they've been too damn tolerant of american financial espionage and threats, despite cutting off most of their american clients in response.

Anyhow, the two things that seem to preserve a culture from social and pyschological self destruction are mutual empathy, and the concept of having enough - without those two things, all hell breaks loose.

The latter, simply developing THAT would do wonders for america, but part of the problem is.. exactly how much of those pretty toys do the stupid fuckers actually OWN ?
The bank owns that car, the mortage company owns that house, the credit card company owns that TV, that Stereo, all those toys dangled as a carrot on a stick to keep you running your ass off on the Corporate treadmill and enriching THEM, such a nice, neat, perfect little trap, isn't it ?

And if you don't play, they just print more fiat money and rob the value of what you have till you have to, it's all win-win for them...

Right up till folks start thinkin maybe Mario Buda had the right idea, and that *IS* comin, oh boy is it ever - finding a third option to that is kind of my own holy grail quest, don't ya know.

Ain't political neither, so let's not take it there, it's economic, it's social, is what it is.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

MINCINGBEAST

Sunday, July 4, 2010 12:52 AM

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Hell, I am American, and I hated America until Obama was elected.

You and Michelle Obama got 1 thing in common, at least.

Dude, I set you up with this thinly-veiled reference to comments attributed to your First Lady on June 27th, and you're only getting to it now? Better late than never, I suppose. I'm going to stop setting 'em up for you. And you're gonna be sorry.

PS: i hate america, and am practicing greeting our mexican/chinese conquerors at the border. "thank you for getting rid of all that awful liberty"

KPO

Sunday, July 4, 2010 2:21 AM

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'Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundral.'

I like it. Though I don't like scoundrels. So I guess I'm torn.

Heads should roll

REENACT12321

Sunday, July 4, 2010 3:26 AM

DreamTrove, I was mostly referring to legal institutions, the courts, our Legal system. I can think of several countries that are very nice and comparable to the US in many ways... UNTIL you get arrested. Then things get scary.

However, I totally agree, the state medical facilities, namely mental health facilities are scary/backwards/stunted/just plain bad.

"...we need a hood ornament..."

KWICKO

Sunday, July 4, 2010 4:38 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by mincingbeast:

Hell, I am American, and I hated America until Obama was elected.

You and Michelle Obama got 1 thing in common, at least.

Yeah, while you and the Klan only hate America SINCE Obama got elected.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

NIKI2

Monday, July 5, 2010 5:54 PM

Mike, he, and a few of the others here, have a lot in common with the Clan, John Birch Society, McCarthy and especially the Tea Party Hateriots. They can have 'em. It's all just a fullisade of jerkass rhetoric; they're welcom to 'em.

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" Howard Zinn (not Thomas Jefferson, to whom it is erroneously attributed)

"Dissent" is different from "rebellion"; there seem to be those who thought Dumbya was "a great American" and that any dissent then was "unamerican" and comparable to terrorism, but want to tear our country down now that he's no longer king.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off