Objects in Space Inner Thoughts

POSTED BY: est120
UPDATED: Monday, August 2, 2004 12:53
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THEREALME

Wednesday, July 14, 2004 2:43 AM

I haven't seen this episode in a while, but some others have said that Inara is not looking at River, but rather away from Mal. Not quite at River, but off to one side a bit. I don't know the truth of this, but it's a good excuse to watch that episode again.

As far as Kaylee looking at River as if River were an intruder, that could very well be exactly what River read. Kaylee, recall, had been uneasy around River since the blind shooting incident in War Stories. Not all these mind readings are verbal in nature, as we saw from Zoe and Wash. Maybe Kaylee's uneasiness is just what River got from Kaylee.

The Real Me

AVON

Wednesday, July 14, 2004 1:20 PM

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Originally posted by shinyseven:
Hi, fellow B7 fan! The thing is, though, that Book doesn't look tolerant and forgiving when he says that line (as he would if he were talking to a penitent)--he looks coldly furious.

"Sadistic crap legitimized by florid prose"

Yea, but River is taking the line out of context. It could be that she is misreading the emotion just like how Simon seems to convey a completly different tone when he's repeating his thought to Kaylee.

LUPINADDAMS

Wednesday, July 14, 2004 2:55 PM

A small but I think important tangent...

Has anyone managed to work out what the overheard thoughts in the first few seconds of the episode are - the ones when the camera zooms through Serenity?
The last one - the only one I could hear clearly - is Early saying "We're all just floating" but I am pretty sure we hear each of the crew say/think something - and possibly something different from the thoughts we hear later.

Anyone with a shooting script or really good ears out there?

"You are what you do."
Andrew Vacchs

EST120

Sunday, July 18, 2004 6:45 PM

i know this thread may have been beat to death already, but i just noticed something while watching this episode. does anyone think it means anything that no one seems to notice river while she "eavesdrops" on these conversations? mal and inara are discussing her iminent departure and it is clear that inara has not told anyone yet. thus, it would seem a little strange that she would talk about it in front of river. anyway, it might mean nothing.

"i can't comprehend the ways that i miss you, they come to light in my mistakes."
-neko case

THUNDAR

Sunday, July 18, 2004 7:28 PM

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Originally posted by est120:
i know this thread may have been beat to death already, but i just noticed something while watching this episode. does anyone think it means anything that no one seems to notice river while she "eavesdrops" on these conversations? mal and inara are discussing her iminent departure and it is clear that inara has not told anyone yet. thus, it would seem a little strange that she would talk about it in front of river. anyway, it might mean nothing.

Yes. I'm sure Simon would have said something to her. You Know Jayne and Book would have noticed her walk through. I don't think Inara would have said anything to Mal if she had seen River there.

She had to pass Simon to get out of her room though. It's like no one saw River until she picked up the gun in the cargo bay. Although, I guess that could explain why Simon was running across the bay first, calling her name. They did see her pass but she said nothing so they were curious where she went. Maybe she walked into the bay but her mind walked up the stairs, through the dining area and back to the bay to rejoin her body.

BTW, did anyone notice the map of the Verse Early has in his ship. The camera pans across it as he picks up the wanted picture of River and Simon.

CARDIE

Sunday, July 18, 2004 7:31 PM

I think someone says higher up this thread that River probably isn't physically there, that what we are seeing is her embodied consciousness as she reads the crew from where she stands in the cargo bay.

Cardie

RICKKER

Sunday, July 18, 2004 9:00 PM

Okay, my thoughts on the subject.
Simons: thoughts have been pretty much the same from the begining, River spoke of it in Ariel.
Janes: Also obvious we all saw Ariel. (I'm guessing)
Book: With his facial expression and tone I guessed that this was something from his past.
Inara: For a couple of reasons I'm going with doctor/something bad in the past. HoG had told us she left in somewhat of a hurry after working with solid purpose to be house mother. She doesn't like complications (like Mal) and that dating rules for companions are complicated. The leaving the house thing is what got me. Only two reasons to turn your life around that quick. Your on the run or you just got very bad news. She found out she was dieing and wants to see the universe before she dies.that and her quote sounds more what would be said to a doctor and not someone you would be running from.
Mal: He's been feeling this way since the pilot.
"yea we win." didn't mean a damn thing to him. Just has to keep moving keep on.
Kaylee: just caught that one the other day. At first didn't think she was one with any secrets. then the last time I watched it I caught her facial expression. She was still hiding her fear of what she saw River do in War Stories.

SHEPHERDQ

Monday, July 19, 2004 11:06 PM

I note that the thoughts of Shepherd Book got left behind about the middle of the thread. I just thought I would point things to a slightly new slant.
After the Shindig, Mel and Inara are sitting and talking. Both the conversation and the commentary reveal that they all are misfits. Soon to become a family for each other but still misfits. Shepherd Book is a misfit as well, not really at home in the Abby anymore. Shepherd book is upset at failing to protect the fed. We see Shepherd Book break a bit during the conversation he has with Inara. He shows it is hard to find the comfort in the book when they are about to die in 'Out of Gas'. His Faith has been shaken, and he is striving to regain his balance. He has ID that makes the fedds shut up and junp. Perhaps he was " asked" ( forced ) to assist in somthing the feds had done.. and what he saw/did/heard has strained his faith and now aboard Serenity he seeks to regain it and find himself. when the bounth hunters says .. "He's no Shepherd" he would not know that unless he had seen him before or perhaps worked with him on the "assignment" the feds had.
"I don't give half a hump if you are innocent or not, so where does that put you?" sounds like something someone would say that has been in Hell and has the man that sent him there at his mercy, and lost his temper.

The Journey is the worthier part.

GRIMLAKIN

Monday, July 19, 2004 11:55 PM

Book - I don’t give half a hump whether you're innocent or not. So where does that put you?

I think it is the subtext of what Book is thinking in his conversation to Jane. What he would say if he thought he could get away with it.

Inara - I'm a big girl just tell me

Again this pulls from a previous episode. She WANTS Mal to tell her to stay. To tell her that he loves her and he wants her to quit. To care about her possibly even more than she cares about herself.

Mal - None of it means a damn thing

This is how Mal feels when talking to Anara. He has lived his life through action. To convey something he has always every time done it with actions. He is not a man of words. He has tried time and time again to convey how he feels to Inara without saying it. Because Anara is in love with Mal she can not see past her own feelings and needs for his verbal acknowledgement of his feelings for her. A good example of this is in out of gas. He tells the crew to leave. The one that knows him best knows better and when she comes to they come back. And Anara needs Mal as much as Mal needs Anara... maybe more.

The visions are not ABOUT River. Unless the characters were talking TO river at that time. She is picking up the subtext or the feelings and thoughts of what they are saying. That is why she can get inside when people are talking to eachother and she isn't talking. She is then free to sense. Another reason I think that she is better off on the ship. The fewer people to come into her mind the better.

Remember they removed the emotional controll the receptive controlls.. the ability to block things out from her mind. They removed the buffers that everoyne else has in theory.

;)

Just my own insights mind you.

THELION

Tuesday, July 20, 2004 1:41 AM

I really think Book's quote was directed at River, in reference to his shady present, and it's probably got something to do with why he jumped on Serenity in the first place. I mean, "I don't give half a hump if you're innocent or not" sounds like something an Alliance mole or Blue Sun operative would say.

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