Common ground with Farscape fans.
POSTED BY: DeSangro
UPDATED: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 21:46
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Oh, ohhhhhhhhhhh...I just have to jump in again. The irate fanboy in me just can't give it up.
With regard to the 'Buffy' episode "Amends," the point of the snow falling was to show that Angel had been brought back by higher powers with a purpose. The snow falling was to keep him from committing suicide with the sunrise after a hallucinatory ordeal with a nasty baddie. 'Buffy' fans will agree that this is one of the high points of the series. Again with the "if you don't get it..." thing.
I see your point, I just don't agree, sorry. No matter what the justification was for the snow, it was, is, and shall forever remain a cheesy moment. Now, I'm not saying that's neccessarily a bad thing, just that every show has them - even the greats. The fact that the occasional cheesy moment might creep in is no reason to not watch. Well, unless there's nothing but cheese, of course.
"You're not entitled to your opinion - you're entitled to your INFORMED opinion." Harlan Ellison.
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You bad man. You go squish now.
While I like 'Buffy', I'm only really a fan of the supporting cast, the storylines, etcetera. I'm not a big fan of SMG, even less so now that she's gone all prima-donna, if that is indeed the case. I always liked Giles, Willow (pre-Uberwitch Willow especially), Xander and Anya...and to a lesser extent Oz and the villains. I actually prefer the Angel series to Buffy on many points. Firefly, though, trumps them both. Why, oh why, are there only the handful of eppies for us to enjoy.
Joss, I beseech you, bring forth more Firefly than those lowwwwwwwwwly bits that have been bequeathed you by the studio. The movie is gonna be great 'n' all, but we - your humble servants - require more. We say, invite everybody over for a party once a week and videotape an eppy with a camcorder. Use paper cutouts for spaceships...pie plates, WHATEVER! Just gives us our preciousssssss.
Ahem.
Yeah, um, sorry about that.
- T
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So is Buffy worth watching? Never thought about it until Firefly came along. A few folks have recommended it saying that the humor is similar to that in FF. Thoughts? Worth it?
Series I loved so far:
24
Alias
Babylon 5 (although season 5 isn't great)
Carnivale
Firefly
Sopranos
Should Buffy fall in there somewhere?
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Originally posted by jimgoings:
OK, we're almost done with season 2 now. I will absolutely admit that this show *does* have intelligent writing. It just seems that for some episodes, the writers smoked a bowl before typing it down.{/QUOTE]
ohhh, you aren't even close yet. Wait till you see Scratch and Sniff - they smoked all the bowls, lit up a kiln and made some more bowls before smoking those....Quote:
Also, what does the fact that FS lasted 80+ episodes while FF only lasted a dozen have to do with anything? I feel confident in saying that FF getting cancelled had nothing to do with the quality of the show. :D
Outsider covered it - meant that the more shows, the more inconsistencies creep in, not a comment on the (very high) quality of both shows.
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Originally posted by Outsider:
And besides - how can anyone NOT be moved by some of G'Kar's speeches on Babylon 5?
I was in the audience at a con when Andreas went off stage and from behind the curtain read the opening lines of something Joe had just written that weekend - the closing speech from Z'Ha'Dum. Chills down the gorram spine.
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"You're not entitled to your opinion... you're entitled to your INFORMED opinion."
Whoa - good Ellison - and shame on those who missed the ref
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Originally posted by BlueSunWorshipper:
In comparing the budgets, I remember that 'Farscape's budget is roughly the same as that of B5's. The reason they have decent effects is that the whole thing is shot in Australia where everything is cheaper. They also are working with a small effects house that, until Farscape, had only done commercials to that point. I remember that B5's production house had about 40 old Amiga 4000's daisy-chained together in order to produce the effects, something that a modern PC could do on it's own with far less effort.
Really? Have to admit I've not seen the budget figures for FS but had always assumed that even with the exchange rate I thought it was more than B5.
Based on not very much research (farscapeworld.com) it appears they had $1.5 million US. I seem to recall that Trek oft gets quoted in the region of $1.75-2 mill whereas B5 was $750K odd. I know JMS has often said they were working at something like half the Trek budget.
Still, FS put every penny on screen - that scene with Scorpy in the command room and the water flowing, then that explosion.
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B5 was always just under a mill, between $800-900,000 per eppy. Farscape started off at around $1.2 million an episode, which is about the same in adjusted dollars. Also, recall that B5 for it's early seasons was produced in much the same way as Farscape - in a small, independent studio for syndication, whereas Farscape was produced in a small, independent studio (Homebush Bay) for a single cable channel. It was only later that B5 was produced for TNT with an adjusted budget. Still, you gotta admit, the production values on both shows, while not too bad, represented as much cash as they could throw at it. Shows like "Enterprise" have higher budgets, better sets, but their stories stink. Give me "Doctor Who" over "Andromeda" just about any day.
- T
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Originally posted by jimgoings:
So is Buffy worth watching?
Most definitely.
One thing about Farscape. More than any other show, it really requires (imo) that you watch it from the beginning. Despite the networks' obsession with "stand alone" episodes, I was able to jump into Buffy and Angel in their later seasons and instantly become a fan. Not so with Farscape. I've decided, because of things I've read (such as in this thread) and because of the ardent recommendation of friends, that I must watch the show, but I'm going to watch it in order via DVDs...one season at a time.
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Originally posted by KMInfinity:
One thing about Farscape. More than any other show, it really requires (imo) that you watch it from the beginning.
No, not really, although it certainly helps. I didn't get hooked until the end of season 3, watching Fractures to be exact. I couldn't work out was was going on but whatever it was, it was pretty intense. So I kept watching and trying to work it out. After the season finished I really had to know how it all started and ordered the very first DVD's. Amazing to see the differences in the characters, especially in Crichton. At the start he really is a wide-eyed innocent trying to feel his way in a strange environment, trying to talk his way out of everything and only resorting to violence as a last resort. That changes a bit.
I envy you. I would like to see it all again for the first time!
... and on a completely different subject, can anybody tell me how to work these emoticons? This is my first post and I am stilling trying to get the hang of it. I am slightly embarassed that it should be in a thread devoted to Farscape but I promise to make amends ...
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Originally posted by Marya:
Amazing to see the differences in the characters, especially in Crichton. At the start he really is a wide-eyed innocent trying to feel his way in a strange environment, trying to talk his way out of everything and only resorting to violence as a last resort. That changes a bit.
I envy you. I would like to see it all again for the first time!
I love both FarScape and Firefly but not for the similarities, but because of the differences.
In FarScape you get to see the changes that occur in John from that wide eyed innocent to what he is by the end of Season 4... where as with Mal, the changes have already happened. I mean, John has more in common with Simon then he does Mal really.
And this is just an example. It isn't to say that Mal won't evolve as a character is some way. Kaylee will soften him up, I just know it. LOL
And besides, wasn't the first post to point out the similarities in the fandoms and not the show??
One thing we both have in common, (and I say that as a Scaper), is both fandoms got our shows back. That is no small feat BTW.
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Originally posted by Marya:
... and on a completely different subject, can anybody tell me how to work these emoticons? This is my first post and I am stilling trying to get the hang of it. I am slightly embarassed that it should be in a thread devoted to Farscape but I promise to make amends ...
I think you just type in the code and it appears in your post.
Lemme try.
Edit: yep, it works.
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