Map of the Verse discussion
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Ah, didn't realize there was 72 hours. Been a while since I've seen the episodes, gave my DVDs away and haven't gotten them back, plus I want to keep the episodes fresh.
I agree with your reasoning in that case. It brings up a good question, for the sake of the science, should we use the original show order or the rearranged?
There should be a preference for canon, I assume, and the rearranged version is now canon. But, on the other hand, the rearranged version could mess up the science.
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Ah, didn't realize there was 72 hours. Been a while since I've seen the episodes, gave my DVDs away and haven't gotten them back, plus I want to keep the episodes fresh.
I agree with your reasoning in that case. It brings up a good question, for the sake of the science, should we use the original show order or the rearranged?
There should be a preference for canon, I assume, and the rearranged version is now canon. But, on the other hand, the rearranged version could mess up the science.
The superscript in the transition from nekkid Mal to Mal & Monty on empty rock said "72 hours earlier" as I recall.
I should have clarified my explanation of the nearest system to Red Sun system.
OMR requires that Triumph and Beaumonde be at opposite ends of the verse.
If we take as accurate that Map of the Verse has Beaumonde in Kalidasa, then Kalidasa is opposite of Red Sun, and is closest to Georgia system. This assumption disregards all the BDM evidence that Beaumonde is actually in Blue Sun system, not in Kalidasa.
This assumption still requires that Blue Sun is almost opposite the verse from Kalidasa, due to the proximity of Miranda and Mr Universe. So Blue Sun is closer to Red Sun under this scenario.
If we understand that the evidence of BDM shows Beaumonde is in Blue Sun system, and not Kalidasa, then the OMR evidence has Red Sun (Triumph) opposite the verse from Blue Sun, and Kalidasa system is the closest to Red Sun.
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While reviewing the other items, I happened to suss out where Saffron went in OMR after leaving Serenity on Shuttle II. The rustic luxury place.
In OoG the shuttle has limited range in the flashback - can break atmo from a wide orbit. When using them as lifeboats, they can't get anyplace, but the heat and air will last longer than what Serenity has. Figuring Wash spent a couple hours doing th nav computations after leaving their last stop, apparently the shuttles have not the capabitlity to travel back there.
In OMR Mal says he found Saffron's hideout because it is the only place the shuttle could have reached. So the location is isolated by distance from other nearby bodies (terraformed anyhow).
The last episode was Jaynestown where they left Higgin's Moon, which is in Red Sun system. They are heading to Bernoulli by the end of the week, so that coud be anyplace in the verse. In OMR they are heading to Beaumonde, and they left Triumph. It will take 5 days of travel, according to their schedule before Saffron altered it. This means they are going to the opposite side of the verse to require 5 days, and Triumph must be on the outside (away from the White Sun) of the Red Sun, about 87 Au from White Sun. They must cut across Red Sun system, and after about 18 hours will have travelled about 33-35 Au.
After getting plastered the previous night, Mal & Co board Serenity and depart the next morning. Saffron waits until most are asleep, and Mal is ready to go to bed, so this is likely about 18 hours after leaving Triumph.
33-35Au does not get them into the Core, it just gets Serenity about tot he other side of Red Sun system. There is only one inhabitable body in Red Sun which is not within shuttle distance of another inhabitable body, and that is Jubilee. Some confusion might arise because Jubilee is listed in the White Paper as uninhabitable, but the Map of the Verse clearly labels it Terraformed and Inhabited. It's moon is not yet terraformed, so no other body near it is within Shuttle range. The farthest distance Triumph and Jubilee are apart is about 32Au.
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Ah, didn't realize there was 72 hours. Been a while since I've seen the episodes, gave my DVDs away and haven't gotten them back, plus I want to keep the episodes fresh.
I agree with your reasoning in that case. It brings up a good question, for the sake of the science, should we use the original show order or the rearranged?
There should be a preference for canon, I assume, and the rearranged version is now canon. But, on the other hand, the rearranged version could mess up the science.
Other fans can use the info in whatever way they choose, and we can inform them under which conditions each answer is correct. I understand some fanfic writers use this information, and it is for them to decide which is canon as applied to the fic they are working on.
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So now to look in those for low-populated rocks which are terraformed.
If the preceding episode was OiS (original episode sequence), then they went to New Melbourne about 3 days after booting Jubal. So Red Sun System was where they were, and Kalidasa is next nearest, and our top candidate for Empty Rock locale.
If the preceding episode was War Stories (rearranged episode sequence), then they were at Ezra at the center of Georgia System, and so next nearest would be Blue Sun System, and our top candidate for Empty Rock location.
It'll be a few days for me to look up those, so input for those would be cool. I'm assuming it's not large, as well as being sparsely populated, so the moons like you found in Core would be about right, just find the same thing in other systems. Would not be asteroids - they would not be terraformed with all those collisions in the asteroid belts.
Unless somebody can point out errors in my reasoning.
To list the candidates and compare to current perceptions, I'll list some population densities. Since Earth is 2/3 covered by water, I'll divide by 3 to use the figures as comparison.
To start, there is desert in Arizona, I think.
Arizona = 21.5 per sq km, or 7.2 comparative.
Montana = 2.5 per sq km, or .8 comparative.
Wyoming = 2.1 per sq km, or .7 comparative.
Alaska = 0.46 per sq km, or .15 comparative.
The candidates: Name, pop, diameter, pop density.
Kalidasa.
Wadd, 20,000; 1,905 km; .0018
Isabel, 60,000; 1,000 km; .0191
Illat, 47,000; 1,450 km; .0071
Huan Lo, 75,000; 1,030 km; .0225
Blue Sun.
Haven, 78,000; 3,012 km; .0027
New Omaha, 50,000; 1,025 km; .0151
Glynis, 1,000; 990 km; .0003
Sahadeva, 8,000; 1,392 km; .0013
Bhima, 46,000; 1,160 km; .0109
Blackwood, 48,750; 1,001 km; .0155
Ugarit, 46,000; 1,123 km; .0116
Georgia.
Ahnodie, 525,000; 1,000 km; .1671
Eris, 38,000; 1,321 km; .0069
Branson's Mark, 1,317; 1,397 km; .0002
Red Sun.
Farraday, 200,000; 2,158 km; .0137
Dora, 250,000; 1,430 km; .0389
In Kalidasa, Wadd seems the best candidate due to low density, and position of outer orbit of an outer orbit body.
In Blue Sun, it seems Mal would not act that way on Haven, nor the near moon New Omaha. The top candidates would be Glynis and Sahadeva, the outermost 2 orbits of Dragon's Egg, itself an outer orbit body of the system.
In Georgia, Eris is off Hera, and Branson's Mark is off Shadow, both orbiting Murphy, so it seems unlikely Mal would act like he's never been there before.
So the best candidates, by far, for the Empty Rock in Trash, is Wadd in Kalidasa (original episode sequence), or in Blue Sun would be Glynis or Sahadeva (for rearranged episode sequence). Glynis would be the greater candidate by having the farthest outward orbit, and small size.
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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Other fans can use the info in whatever way they choose, and we can inform them under which conditions each answer is correct. I understand some fanfic writers use this information, and it is for them to decide which is canon as applied to the fic they are working on.
I'm one of them, so thanks. :)
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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Other fans can use the info in whatever way they choose, and we can inform them under which conditions each answer is correct. I understand some fanfic writers use this information, and it is for them to decide which is canon as applied to the fic they are working on.
I'm one of them, so thanks. :)
You are welcome. That is why I post this stuff instead of just figuring it out for myself and keeping it to myself.
I also hope it can enhance the enjoyment of the Map of the Verse product.
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I keep forgetting to look this up:
In the Train Job, Hands of Blue claim they traveled so many million miles. Assuming this is from Osiris to Ezra.
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It could be that the names of the moons hold some sort of significance, in regards to trying to determine which might be important locations to episodes.
Wadd is another name for a Sumerian moon god named Sin. Guess what the Hebrews personified him as.
The other possibility is a little more weak, the Devas in Hindu are angellic/god figures, and Sahadeva was an important one, but it's likely the sanscrit word deva influenced the semite and gentile words for devil.
I agree with you on Osiris, that's Blue Sun's new headquarters after they moved from Sihnon, but I thought Paradiso was on Regina. In the RP manuals it's listed as a world that has a problem with Bowden's. There might be something on the Serenity Blue Ray, too.
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I agree with you on Osiris, that's Blue Sun's new headquarters after they moved from Sihnon, but I thought Paradiso was on Regina. In the RP manuals it's listed as a world that has a problem with Bowden's. There might be something on the Serenity Blue Ray, too.
I do not propose that Bowden's is not a problem on Regina.
Likewise, I do not propose that only one world in the verse has a problem with Bowden's. Therefore, we need not assume that the world Paradiso and Hancock are on, in great proximity to Ezra if not Ezra, could only be Regina.
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