What Trek other than the Original Series does not suck?

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TOS is still my favorite, although there are parts of other series and the films that I like as well.

TNG was pretty bad for at least half of its run, but got better in the last couple of seasons. The main problem was the "reset" button was used too frequently, not much character development, and a general PC attitude.

I liked DS9 more from the beginning, and I did appreciate its more bold ventures into darker territory, but unlike someone above posted, I started to lose interest during the Dominion War arc. I felt they were getting too close to Babylon 5 territory with that.

I rarely watched Voyager, because at the time there was no UPN affiliate where I lived. The few times I did watch I was not very impressed, although I did like Kate Mulgrew as Janeway.

I lost interest in Enterprise very early and didn't look back.

Of the TOS films, TMP is highly underrated, Wrath of Khan is highly overrated (although still good), I don't care if I never see #s 3 & 5 again, and Voyage Home was too cutesy for my taste. The Undiscovered Country is my favorite.

Generations was a waste of time, First Contact was very good although it went against canon from TOS. The trailers for both Insurrection and Nemesis led me to believe I would not like them so I still have never seen them.

Jar Jar Abrams' Trek was a colossal waste of my time and money even though I saw it at a matinee. Never want to see it again.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Umm, could I get a list of good OS novels from you? If you have the time, that is.

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Well, I'm not much of a TOS fan (I joined the fandom with TNG), but I've heard good things about these, though they're not technically TOS:
Vanguard (same time as TOS, but a different crew)
-Harbinger
-Summon the Thunder
-Reap the Whirlwind
-Open Secrets
-Precipice
-Declassified (upcoming, 2011)

New Earth (after TMP)
-Wagon Train to the Stars
-Belle Terre
-Rough Trails
-The Flaming Arrow
-Thin Air
-Challenger

Vulcan's _(noun)_ (Spock's life before and after TOS)
-Vulcan's Glory (pre-Enterprise)
-Vulcan's Forge (after Kirk's death)
-Vulcan's Heart
-Vulcan's Soul (trilogy)
--Exodus
--Exiles
--Epiphany

There's also the Eugenics Wars trilogy (The Rise and Fall of Khan Noonien Singh, Vols 1 & 2, and To Reign in Hell: the Exile of Khan Noonien Singh), but the first two books are Khan on Earth, and the third takes place after "Space Seed."

I enjoyed Sorrows of Empire, but it's a mirror-universe tale of how Spock rises to the throne and destroys the Terran Empire from within (and which ties into the ongoing Mirror Universe Saga).

You may get more from the Errand of. . . series (set during the first season):
Errand of Vengeance
-The Edge of the Sword
-Killing Blow
-River of Blood
Errand of Fury
-Seeds of Rage
-Demands of Honor
-Sacrifices of War

Then there's Section 31: Cloak, and Gateways: Book One: One Small Step/Gateways: One Giant Leap (the latter is a novella, released as part of book seven of the Gateways crossover), but those are both part of multi-series crossovers.

Mere Anarchy was an e-book series, but is now available in omnibus. It spans the entire original series timeframe (from before "Where No Man Has Gone Before" to after Kirk's death in Generations). There's also Constellations, an anthology of short stories for the 40th Anniversary.

Christopher Bennett's Ex Machina is universally loved, but it's another post-TMP story (though one that touches back to a TOS episode).

Forged in Fire is about Sulu's first adventure on the Excelsior (and how he became Captain), Kang, Kor, and Koloth, but it actually touches on a DS9 episode (and features Curzon Dax and the Albino). Then there's The Captain's Daughter, which focuses on Hikaru and Demora Sulu (you'll want to read this before the Lost Era, since there are spoilers afoot).

You may also want to check out the Lost Era books; they're not so much a "series" as a bunch of self-contained novels that span the time frame between end of the movie era (usually measured as Kirk's "death" aboard the Enterprise-B in Generations) and the beginning of TNG.
-The Sundered (Captain Sulu on the Excelsior, and including Chekov, Rand, and a passel of novelverse characters.)
-Serpents Among the Ruins (the final mission of Captain Harriman on the Enterprise-B, as he deals with the Tomed Incident.)
-The Art of the Impossible (Nyota Uhura, Curzon Dax, Ian Troi, and Mogh in a Klingon/Cardassian cold war.)
-Well of Souls (the Enterprise-C, featuring Dr. McCoy and some gratuitous Cardassians.)
-Deny Thy Father (Kyle Riker's career ends, Will Riker's career begins, and McCoy still can't retire.)
-The Catalyst of Sorrows (the latter years of Nyota Uhura's career, and the early years of Ben Sisko's.)
-The Buried Age (Picard's life between losing the Stargazer and taking command of the Enterprise-D).

I'm also fond of The Brave and the Bold duology, which spans the five TV series (the TOS "episode" is in Book 1, but Spock and McCoy also show up during

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TNG was great, they seemed to milk it atfer that. I'll wait B4 I pass jugment on this new generation.

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TOS A+ Plenty of exploration, great iconic characters, a sense of wonderment that can't be duplicated.

TNG B+ Fantastic stories, well rounded.

DS9 B The exploration aspect is missing therefore I can't whole heartedly recommend this series.

Voyager C Needs help. Caught up in horror stories, and techno babble. See me after class.

Enterprise C-Works well with others, but has a nasty habit of trying to change history.

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70's TV FOREVER

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TOS was groundbreaking, the SFX are now seen as dated and rudimentary, awaiting the advances of Star Wars and ILM, which themselves were spawned by TOS. Although a mere veneer for the lame allegories to peace, love, the Vietnam War, it still launched scifi as a viable genre in Hollywood. It did manage to avoid the interjection of the lame music of the time, which helps keep only the SFX as the most dated portion of the production.
The nearest I felt approached that level was Voyager. The others were simplistic soap operas masquerading as scifi. Like Titanic was merely the location of a fictional love story, scifi was merely the location of the stale old stories retold in these other series.
Voyager was on their own, like TOS, not just waiting for the reinforcements to come along. Voyager was encountering Strange NEW worlds, NEW civilizations, boldly blazing a new path where no man had been before.

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I liked the last series. They dropped the techno babble to solve their problems and started using their minds. I also like how the Vulcans treated the would-be explorers of the galaxy. It was not warm and fuzzy like I thought it would be. It made for some interesting episodes. On that note I will say I did not like the third season. The on-going storyline got to be a drag.


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Originally posted by lwaves:
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JJ Abrams movie really wowed me over.

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Eh, I liked it enough to buy it, and I thought it worked for the most part, but the gorram nacelles are too close together!
JJ!!! Straighten out those ruttin' pylons for the next flick, ayah???


The laughing Chrisisall

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Umm, could I get a list of good OS novels from you? If you have the time, that is.

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Well, I'm not much of a TOS fan (I joined the fandom with TNG), but I've heard good things about these, though they're not technically TOS:
Vanguard (same time as TOS, but a different crew)
-Harbinger
-Summon the Thunder
-Reap the Whirlwind
-Open Secrets
-Precipice
-Declassified (upcoming, 2011)

New Earth (after TMP)
-Wagon Train to the Stars
-Belle Terre
-Rough Trails
-The Flaming Arrow
-Thin Air
-Challenger

Vulcan's _(noun)_ (Spock's life before and after TOS)
-Vulcan's Glory (pre-Enterprise)
-Vulcan's Forge (after Kirk's death)
-Vulcan's Heart
-Vulcan's Soul (trilogy)
--Exodus
--Exiles
--Epiphany

There's also the Eugenics Wars trilogy (The Rise and Fall of Khan Noonien Singh, Vols 1 & 2, and To Reign in Hell: the Exile of Khan Noonien Singh), but the first two books are Khan on Earth, and the third takes place after "Space Seed."

I enjoyed Sorrows of Empire, but it's a mirror-universe tale of how Spock rises to the throne and destroys the Terran Empire from within (and which ties into the ongoing Mirror Universe Saga).

You may get more from the Errand of. . . series (set during the first season):
Errand of Vengeance
-The Edge of the Sword
-Killing Blow
-River of Blood
Errand of Fury
-Seeds of Rage
-Demands of Honor
-Sacrifices of War

Then there's Section 31: Cloak, and Gateways: Book One: One Small Step/Gateways: One Giant Leap (the latter is a novella, released as part of book seven of the Gateways crossover), but those are both part of multi-series crossovers.

Mere Anarchy was an e-book series, but is now available in omnibus. It spans the entire original series timeframe (from before "Where No Man Has Gone Before" to after Kirk's death in Generations). There's also Constellations, an anthology of short stories for the 40th Anniversary.

Christopher Bennett's Ex Machina is universally loved, but it's another post-TMP story (though one that touches back to a TOS episode).

Forged in Fire is about Sulu's first adventure on the Excelsior (and how he became Captain), Kang, Kor, and Koloth, but it actually touches on a DS9 episode (and features Curzon Dax and the Albino). Then there's The Captain's Daughter, which focuses on Hikaru and Demora Sulu (you'll want to read this before the Lost Era, since there are spoilers afoot).

You may also want to check out the Lost Era books; they're not so much a "series" as a bunch of self-contained novels that span the time frame between end of the movie era (usually measured as Kirk's "death" aboard the Enterprise-B in Generations) and the beginning of TNG.
-The Sundered (Captain Sulu on the Excelsior, and including Chekov, Rand, and a passel of novelverse characters.)
-Serpents Among the Ruins (the final mission of Captain Harriman on the Enterprise-B, as he deals with the Tomed Incident.)
-The Art of the Impossible (Nyota Uhura, Curzon Dax, Ian Troi, and Mogh in a Klingon/Cardassian cold war.)
-Well of Souls (the Enterprise-C, featuring Dr. McCoy and some gratuitous Cardassians.)
-Deny Thy Father (Kyle Riker's career ends, Will Riker's career begins, and McCoy still can't retire.)
-The Catalyst of Sorrows (the latter years of Nyota Uhura's career, and the early years of Ben Sisko's.)
-The Buried Age (Picard's life between losing the Stargazer and taking command of the Enterprise-D).

I'm also fond of The Brave and the Bold duology, which spans the five TV series (the TOS "episode" is in Book

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