What Trek other than the Original Series does not suck?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Monday, July 19, 2010 04:05
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Just curious as to opinions on this.
In MY opinion, TOS is the one & true only Trek (agreeing with Bruce Campbell here); the movies are interesting, the other series are a cool distraction, and the JJ flick totally missed the mark of what it could have been (but I own it nonetheless).
Thoughts?
The phaser-locked Chrisisall
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What do you mean "other than"...?
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Deep Space Nine. That station is "home" for me in a way even Serenity can't manage (Serenity is like a rambling old house, but DS9 is like a whole town).
Of course, the best Trek (inclusive of TOS) has always been the novels. TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, Lost Era, New Frontier, Corps of Engineers, I.K.S. Gorkon, Klingon Empire, Titan, Mirror Universe --all of them regularly blow every TV series out of space. Trek works in prose in a way it never could on TV, and not just because of the budgets/actors/effects.
Part of what made the original Trek so groundbreaking was that it was trying to do large-scale, character-driven "novel-like" science-fiction (which has always been a "niche" product) on television (which has always been as "common denominator" as it can be). Original Trek did for sci-fi what Harry Potter is doing for fantasy; introducing it to people who had never seen anything like it before. Remember how Roddenberry had to fight to get what he wanted? Remember Number One (a female first officer), and how the networks forced him to choose between her and "the alien" (two concepts that they were certain wouldn't fly).
That's why TOS only lasted three seasons. It was new, it was daring, it was literally going where no man had gone before.
The problem with TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT was that they weren't daring. They tried, from time-to-time (and DS9 succeeded more than it failed), but at the end of the day, they were all playing by the rules. They could be daring, but not too daring.
Prose Trek lets us see Trek written by people who know science, and who aren't being watched over by network censors and culture-police.
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Quote:I will certainly now explore the novels, being fascinated by John Byrne's recent comic foray.
Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Prose Trek lets us see Trek written by people who know science, and who aren't being watched over by network censors and culture-police.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:Umm, could I get a list of good OS novels from you? If you have the time, that is.
Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Of course, the best Trek (inclusive of TOS) has always been the novels.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Our very own ScrewtheAlliance is a published Trek author. Surak is the title I believe.
Brian
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All Trek beats "I married a stranger", "Desperate Housewives" and just about every other piece garbage on TV.
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I've said before that I like ALL the tv Star Treks. Some more than others, but the characters in all of them are at least somewhat beloved to me, and some are quite beloved. The Trek series all have their own fair share of great episodes, some more than others. Purchasing many of the themed Trek DVD's, where all the Treks are included within the package, has only strengthened those feelings.
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After the OS for me it would be the OS movies.
They definitely don't suck IMO although some are better than others but all are better than what followed.
I also liked DS9 from about season 3 onwards. It was darker and tried to be different than the other Trek shows. The Dominion War was a great ongoing plot and this show had some of the best side characters out of all the shows (Garak, Quark and Weyoun mainly).
I only ever caught bits of TNG (mainly the Borg episodes) because it usually bored me and I couldn't bear to watch the criminally bad acting by a couple of the cast. Same for TNG movies. I have DVDS of them because I'm a bit of a completist but I've only seen them once or twice for the same reasons as the TV series.
Voyager was basically TOS/TNG in reverse (going home instead of going out there. It had some good episodes but a lot of bad. And I may be in the minority but I preffered Kes to Seven.
Enterprise was a bit of a travesty. Again it had some good moments but overall it kinda sucked. One of the main things that kept me watching was that I kept hoping it would get better. Plus Dominic Keating is from my home town.
JJ Abrams movie really wowed me over. I was in the camp that thought any new Trek was dead. And then when they announced that the new movie was rebooting TOS cast I thought it was sacrilege, it would be a joke of a movie. But gradually as the cast emerged and the actors came together I thought they had something and they did. It worked despite it's few faults. It turned out to be a great modern action movie and a fine example of how to breathe life into an old format.
Having said that because it's an AU story I have to kind of keep it seperate from the rest or too many glaring discrepancies pop up between the universes. I know these are what some people don't like about the new movie but that's why it's an AU story - anything can change, anything can stay the same.
Overall they are all watchable to varying degrees, it's why they have such a following and fans of each incarnation. But the TV shows did go on too long. They started a new one before the last had finished and people seemed to get fed up of it IMO. Me included.
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