Joss's politics

POSTED BY: doublethink84
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 13:09
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QUICKSAND

Tuesday, July 13, 2004 3:41 AM

If you're that curious, I'm sure you'll find lots of quotes here and there.

Personally, as maybe reflected above, too... I don't think it matters. He's there to entertain, to make us laugh or cry or think or whatever... and hopefully show us some Truth while he's at it. That's all any artist can hope to do.

As far as what ELSE is written above, I'm not sure I agree with some using the phrase "Pro-Gay," which implies there is one and only opposite, Anti-Gay. I never really felt Buffy, the show, was trying to ram a sexual preference down my throat, it was just presenting it as a part of life on Earth -- which, by the way, it is. So I'd argue he's not so much Pro-Gay as just indifferent. Maybe I'm wrong though, maybe he IS trying to whack people on the head with the issue ... but I don't worry about it. I'm a pretty open-minded guy. If something offends YOU, though, feel free to change the channel.

Interviews are one thing, but as far as Joss's writing, I just hope it can make us think about our OWN political leanings before anything else. But that's just me. I'm just a liberal, so apparently I hate my country, or whatever it is Fox News is saying about me this week.

DOUBLETHINK84

Tuesday, July 13, 2004 4:25 AM

i understand what you are saying, quicksand. but when i said pro-gay, i only meant that when he created characters that were gay, they were people first, and they just happened to be gay. i didnt mean it in a black and white way.

PURPLEBELLY

Tuesday, July 13, 2004 4:33 AM

Perhaps pro-gay in the sense that he creates characters that are so 'normal' many people don't notice their sexual orientation.

DOUBLETHINK84

Tuesday, July 13, 2004 4:45 AM

exactly. even though both buffy and angel are not overtly political, they are both liberal leaning shows, especially on social matters.

QUICKSAND

Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:01 AM

Well, I wouldn't say that, necessarily.

I mean, the show seems to advocate the killing of most, if not all, vampires. Not a very liberal mindset at all, if you ask me.

RECHELON

Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:43 AM

One can be very liberal with the killin'.

SOUPCATCHER

Tuesday, July 13, 2004 9:56 AM

If you are really interested in getting a read on Joss and what shaped his viewpoint, the following interview is probably the best place to start:

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/425/425492p1.html

It's a rather longish interview. Of particular interest is his education and previous work experience.

I shaved off my beard for you, devil woman!

TOTALLYFRYED

Tuesday, July 13, 2004 2:01 PM

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Originally posted by Quicksand:
Well, I wouldn't say that, necessarily.

I mean, the show seems to advocate the killing of most, if not all, vampires. Not a very liberal mindset at all, if you ask me.

The question that interests me the most is not whether he's a liberal or conservative (my guess would be the former, but that's not the point), but whether or not he allows his political views to incorporate themselves into his work; my opinion is that, with very few exceptions, he doesn't allow that to happen - that even though these are very personal stories, they're personal because of the emotional pieces of himself that he brings to them, not the political pieces.

I'd also like to add that the only political views I've heard him express are that he doesn't like guns or the war in Iraq; not liking the President - and Joss has made it quite clear that he doesn't - is not a sentiment exclusive to liberals, so to call someone who doesn't like the President a liberal is kind of like calling someone who doesn't like bologna a vegan.

"C'mon, Kaylee. We all know I'm the funny one."

DOUBLETHINK84

Tuesday, July 13, 2004 3:48 PM

um,he said "i'm a liberal".

and for the vampires thing, its a metaphor. but the factor is a soul. its a different world than ours, and beings that arent evil(without soul) shouldnt be killed. i'm sure other people have different views, but there arent many conservative aspects in buffy or angel. there is the killing thing, but you cant turn a corner in LA without meeting a good demon. the buffyverse is so complex, and that what makes it great.

but feminism, lesbian witches, and good demons(angel, spike, clem) are left-leaning topics. And when i say liberal, i dont mean the stereotypical liberal the right-wing media puts out.

TOTALLYFRYED

Tuesday, July 13, 2004 4:35 PM

Quote:
And when i say liberal, i dont mean the stereotypical liberal the right-wing media puts out.

And what would that stereotype be?

"C'mon, Kaylee. We all know I'm the funny one."

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