disturbing trend?
POSTED BY: est120
UPDATED: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 21:43
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Originally posted by PopeBob:
Actualy the whole Comic Book side of movies really came thru with Batman. it just took it a while to pick up some Steam. And dont for get Daredevil and the Punisher. I actualy want to go see the new Punisher Movie. It's got crazy Shark Hunter guy from Deep Blue Sea.
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I actually think Batman is what killed comic book based movies for a while. The last Batman(s) were pretty sad movies. X-Men definately was the kicker to bring them back.
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Wasn't the first comic book movie "Superman" - the Christopher Reeve one? Or were there any before that?
EDIT: Never mind! I just read the post above that answered my question - very good info.
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Originally posted by bikisdad:
Wasn't the first comic book movie "Superman" - the Christopher Reeve one? Or were there any before that?
EDIT: Never mind! I just read the post above that answered my question - very good info.
Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.
Well yes Superman was indeed the FIRST comic book movie. However the Movie Genre of Comic Books didn't really strat untill it was affirmed by Batman. And by the way in my oinion there are only 2 Batman movies.
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Actualy the whole Comic Book side of movies really came thru with Batman. QUOTE]
I don't even think we can say that. I think that Batman started a new trend in contemporary potential comic book films but comics have been a part of film for a long time. In the 30's and 40's there were movie serials for Flash Gordon, Batman, Captain Marvel, Superman, Dick Tracy, Tarzan and quite a few others. Some of these characters that were only visible in the newspaper strips. There have been tv series for Batman, Wonder Woman, Superman ( a couple actually), Spider-man, as well as Flash. There have been early movies starring Prince Valiant, Tarzan, Lil Abner and even Popeye (a classic Robin Williams performance). Of course then there are the failed attempts like Punisher (Dolph Lundgren), Fantastic Four, Captain America, Howard the Duck (which I actually enjoyed), and many others. The point is, this is nothing new. It is however new to our generation as successful films. Previous films based on comic books just didn't cut it but lately there have been some very successful movies. Do not worry... Catwoman will break that trend.;)
Jason
Thank you!! I was reading this thread snickering to myself and then feeling old and sorry because of the history of bringing super heros to the big and small screen.
Oh, and thanks for reminding me that Howard the Duck is another guilty pleasure -- although it was the comic that I loved better.
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Several people have pointed out the long tradition of moviemakers retelling the same old stories updated for different media or times... 'nothing new under the sun' and all that. That's pretty much a given, but the disturbing trend is not the mining of old stories for ideas, but lame attempts to cash in on nostalgia with poorly done re-makes.
Most of the re-makes we're seeing today have very little artistic merit and are obviously dreamt up by the marketing people before writers even get involved. I'm not saying a good movie can't come out of a process like this, but it's rare when it does and obviously not required to get people into the theaters.
And of course that's the problem. As long as people keep coughing up their money for these turds, they'll keep making (and re-making)them.
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Originally posted by SergeantX:
not the mining of old stories for ideas, but lame attempts to cash in
Good point, well made. The art is not in the story, but in its telling.
If only the spoiler-mongers could take this on board, Whedon might not suffer prepartum paranoia - well, not so much
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Originally posted by est120:
just a short list of released, rumored or confirmed "remakes":
starsky and hutch
superman
bewitched
amityville horror
akira
assault on precinct 13
charlie and the chocolate factory
miami vice
the manchurian candidate
also, what is the deal with all the comic book/cartoons being made into feature films? of course, the big ones:
spiderman
hulk
batman (the new one)
scooby-doo
and then the others:
catwoman
elektra
fantastic four
gi joe
garfield
speed racer
spy hunter
Batman and Superman have been around forever, so they're exempt from my theory. Bewitched is as well.
Alot of the stuff listed isn't baby boomer stuff. It's Gen X, mid-70s -80s stuff. Everyone I know watched GI Joe, Spiderman, Speed Racer cartoons when we were younger,and let's not forget Justice League (Wonder Twin powers, activate!), and Scooby-Do, of course. If you sit through all the credits on both Spiderman movies, you get to hear a whole version of the cartoon theme song, actually, besides the fact that it's actually sung by people in the movies.
There's also the Hulk tv show and Starsky & Hutch,which everyone I know watched. Honestly,I don't know a single baby boomer who knows what Assault on Precinct 13 or Akira is (and WHY does Akira need to be remade?), though I'm sure there are some.
Willy Wonka as well is more a Gen X thing,the fact that it was a book first notwithstanding.
Plus, if you check out toys lately, you'll see that He-man, Transformers, and Strawberry Shortcake have all made a comeback.
I think there's two reasons for this - the marketing people have realized that a large chunk of Gen X now has kids, and is indirectly marketing to the parents through the kids (He-Man? I played with He-Man! My kids'll love it!), while directly marketing with stuff like Speed Racer movies.
Second - with movies, I suspect there are Gen-Xers pitching the ideas, and they're the ones gettin' a bit nostalgic. Frankly, I'm expecting an A-Team or Dukes of Hazzard movie any day now.
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Honestly,I don't know a single baby boomer who knows what Assault on Precinct 13 or Akira is (and WHY does Akira need to be remade?),
assault on precinct 13 was not a high profile movie, but it was actually quite good. i agree, though. akira does not need to be remade EXCEPT if they do the ENTIRE manga series in the new movie.
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Second - with movies, I suspect there are Gen-Xers pitching the ideas, and they're the ones gettin' a bit nostalgic. Frankly, I'm expecting an A-Team or Dukes of Hazzard movie any day now.
as i understand it, there is a dukes of hazzard movie in the works with a 2006 release date.
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Originally posted by PopeBob:
Actualy the whole Comic Book side of movies really came thru with Batman. it just took it a while to pick up some Steam. And dont for get Daredevil and the Punisher. I actualy want to go see the new Punisher Movie. It's got crazy Shark Hunter guy from Deep Blue Sea.
"Crime and Politics, little girl. The situation is always...Fluid."
"The only fluid I see is the puddle of piss, refusin' to pay us our wage." -Badger and Jayne , 'Serenity'
What about the original "The Crow"? The sequels were horrible, but the original with Brandon Lee and Michael Wincott rocked.
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as i understand it, there is a dukes of hazzard movie in the works with a 2006 release date.
Yes, and this chills me to my very core, as it has been foretold in the Holy Apocalypse as the final sign of the undoing of the Dark One's prison. Weep for the future.

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Sequels haven't just been around since the beginning of movies - they've been around since the beginning of any sort of storytelling. It would seem they've been around since the beginning of *time*. Homer followed up his enormous hit poem "The Illiad" with the still-popular "The Odyssey".
S.A.
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