It's worse than we know
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Friday, August 29, 2025 14:55
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It's not just some of us here who believe it, these guys (and far more) do, too. Answer your question?
Not at present, I'm not. " Time is money " isn't anything new in the business world. Easy to find folks to come out AFTER the fact and say something.... whether accurate or not. Could be calling as it is, could be calling it as they THOUGHT they saw it, or could be something completely different.
Dunno how this'll play out in the end, but I'm glad I don't have any BP stock.
** ANYONE ** who thinks the Fed Gov't has done " all it possibly can " in response the Gulf Coast oil disaster, or who thinks Obama isn't lying to us all - I have no use for you. You deserve all the animosity and any vulgar "tone" directed your way. ( Anthony , that includes you, buddy. Sorry )
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Kwicko, this is the problem we take sides to blame the other side. Man this is big just like Katrina. People didn't know how to help themselves, local goverment failed, big goverment did not follow up. LA still hasn't recovered but they got most of the help. Like Mississippi still has not rebounded on the coast. NYC had it together on 9/11. The .com bust and stock market bailout has hurt the country in morale where has a winning pitch in kinda attitude could boost us all up. California is always over drama. You know hurricane Floyd was real bad in NC but the people were rural so not one got how bad it was. My sister was a real hero during Katrina she got drafted by Fema on the spot, what she saw was unreal. The other sister drove across country with a uhaul filled with supplies that people from work donated. She got through bad weather, bad roads, and the guard checkpoints. That is what I am talking about. The women in my family are kick ass. Now my mother she takes holy water and blesses everything. Including my clothes when I am home. Not to mention she says that's why Floyd missed her house. She's a hoot.
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Time is money. Time to drill a relief well, for example, is time lost from pumping unless they hire and train a completely separate group of workers--which workers they could "better" use in drilling another well for profit.
Yup. Plus, to drill a relief well WHILE drilling the other well, you may very well need ANOTHER drilling platform, which is another half a billion dollars or so. Or you can do it with one, provided you do the first well to within a thousand feet or so of where you think the oil is, and THEN pull it out, cap it, and start the other one, which you'll drill all the way INTO the reservoir of oil, leaving the incomplete one capped in the interim. Of course, once you've pumped out that reservoir, you need to fill and cap BOTH wells, instead of just the one.
There's a very good reason oil companies don't want to do it this way: it takes longer, and it costs almost twice as much. You use twice as much in the way of supplies, pay people twice as long, etc. If they aren't 100% required to do so by law or regulation, they aren't going to, period.
Brazil requires redundant blowout preventers. Oil companies have fought those regulations being implemented here for years, and they've lobbied and succeeded in not having those requirements.
By the way, I heard one of the BP officials on Meet The Press yesterday, saying that the blowout preventers had never failed before. BULLSHIT! They failed in Australia just last year, and they failed in the Bay of Campeche (IXTOC 1) in 1979. This man KNOWS this, and he's still on TV trying to lie his way out of it!
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Time is money in that they'd have to stop drilling or delay drilling in order to implement numerous safety devices which would have avoided this.
Time lost to replace/repair the things that were wrong which "broke" or otherwise didn't stop the disaster was time lost pumping profits.
Bingo. Watch the "60 Minutes" segment on the disaster, with the guy who barely survived the whole ordeal. He knew that the anular (seal gasket) on the BOP was damaged; he saw chunks of rubber gasket come up the pipe the day before the disaster! He's willing to testify that officials ordered them to let the mud pressure off the well as they were positioning cement "plugs" in the line, which would hold the pressure of the oil down. It was that let-up in mud pressure (done because it's faster and cheaper to do it that way - when it works, that is!) that allowed a giant bubble of natural gas to come up the pipe, blow past the BOP, force the mud back up the pipe, and hit the rig, resulting in the first big explosion.
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What you're not grasping is that they THINK in those terms; they think in bottom line: profits. What might result from their actions doesn't come into it, along with probably the laziness mentioned above and their own sense of infallibility, you know "It can't happen here".
It's a risk-vs-reward scenario. If you pull it off, you just made the company a TON of money, with no ill effects. And the chances are pretty good that you'll get away with it. Most of the time, it actually works. It's similar to flying that airliner one or two more trips after you notice the hairline stress fractures in the metal airframe. Sure, it COULD come apart in mid-air, but it probably won't, right?
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There are already reports that they were told something would protect the well and dismissed it as taking too long.
Indeed. They not only dismissed the risk and danger, they ORDERED the operators to do it their (riskier) way, according to several witnesses.
Accidents DO happen. Unfortunately, this wasn't an "accident" - it was pure negligence.
Mike
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor
This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hid
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Cat, you're right. The women in your family DO kick ass. I freely admit 
Operative Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off
To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor
To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor
To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor
...so much for "together"...this, instead, weakens us...
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Man, do I hate being right on this .....
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BP oil spill estimates double
US government figures show twice as much oil spewing into the Gulf of Mexico than earlier estimations suggested. The oil spill off the Gulf of Mexico is even worse than previously thought, with twice as much oil spewing into the ocean than earlier estimations suggested, figures show.
Latest estimates from scientists studying the disaster for the US government suggest 160-380 million litres (42-100 million US gallons) of oil have already entered the Gulf. Most experts believe there is more oil gushing into the sea in an hour than officials originally said was spilling in an entire day.
It is the third – and perhaps not the last – time the Obama administration has had to increase its estimate of how much oil is gushing.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/11/bp-oil-spill-estimat
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" Being correct does not excuse a violation of form " - Ducky, NCIS.
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Well, it's a good thing for you that you've never been right, then...
Mike
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor
This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma
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We need a Teddy Roosevelt in office today.
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Yeah - he was for universal healthcare!
Mike
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor
This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Well, it's a good thing for you that you've never been right, then...
Mike
So, when I started this thread ( over 2 weeks ago ) and stated quite clearly that it IS worse than we know, and then we find out just how exactly I was right ( again ) , this is your childish attempt at a reply?
Again, you're nothing but a sad simpleton, posting contrarian nonsense, simply to be a troll.
" Being correct does not excuse a violation of form " - Ducky, NCIS.
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Raptor; he's snarking, you're taking the bait. I disagree that it's worse than "we know", because I already knew, but that's a minor point. I'm glad you posted the thread and brought it to everyone's attention, and you're definitely right, it has become worse than the vast majority of Americans ever knew or suspected.
One for you. Cherish it. 
Hippie Operative Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off
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