It's worse than we know
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You forgot "maximizing profit" (i.e., minimizing expenditures) as a motive for not drilling a relief well a the same time as the initial one, which I think is the major reason.
But yes, they ABSOLUTELY should be required to, among other things. Just getting a REAL MMS or its equivalent to do inspections, etc., would be a very good beginning!
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Finally, something(s) we can agree on!
Yes, the response should have been much more massive and much sooner. In situations like this, there really is absolutely no way anyone can do too much, or even enough.
It's a fucked situation. The well isn't plugged, the "top kill" failed, and here we still are, with more oil being pumped into the Gulf, likely until a relief well is completed.
The scene really was set for a damn near fairy tale ending. " Daddy, did you plug the hole yet? " , and then shortly after - HURRAH ! The well is plugged!! ALL PRAISE Obama! Is there NOTHING he can't do ??? !!
And then we woke up to the grim reality. ( Sorta reminds me of the dinner table scene from Angel... ) anyways... it was too good to be true.
1000's of oil wells off the Gulf coast, and this one , a mile deep, turns out to be the monster that bites us all.
I just want it stopped. Now. Don't care who gets the credit, I'll praise and vilify any and all as duly needed.
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hey you know what we should do? stop oil drilling worldwide
..wouldnt you liberals love that? maybe we could use our military to do it
i mean sure, people would die as a result of the breakdown in infrastructure that would take place.. given that we are 80% reliant on oil for almost everything we do
but hey.. it would be a worthy sacrifice. if we have to break a few billion eggs to make a 'green' omelette, atleast its a means to an ends
right?
you know, accidents do happen. in the end, an investigation will reveal what the culprit was, and we can identify the cause of the error, and what we can do to prevent it from happening again.
but the earth will go on
im not interested in playing the 'blame game', in the end, whoever is found to be most liable will pay the consequences.. even if it means bankrupting BP
in all honesty, from what i can discern, this actually should fall under national defense.. and federal money should be appropriated to such things. maybe if we werent wasting hundreds of billions of dollars fighting wars overseas, we'd have the money and resources to defend our coastlines properly..
but eventually, an agreement between us and BP can decide how much money in reparations are in order.
in my mind, it just shows how incompetent government truely is, when it comes down to it; i guess Katrinas response may not have been due do Bush 'hating black people' afterall. but neverless, the Left will use this incident to demand more government control... so that the next time, God forbid, such an accident happens.. the government will not only be responsible for the event, but also for the total lack of response which will inevitably (never) follow
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THEY ALREADY HAVE! They've found the MULTIPLE things which would have caused it; which one is irrelevant. In a functioning well, it wouldn't have happened. There was no outside stimulus like a hurricane or something.
you know, accidents do happen. in the end, an investigation will reveal what the culprit was, and we can identify the cause of the error, and what we can do to prevent it from happening again.
They've discovered the MULTIPLE warning signs that were deliberately ignored. They've found the things that should have been fixed if proper inspections were done which were deliberately ignored. They've found without a doubt that the MMS let BP WRITE ITS OWN INSPECTIONS.
This was no "accident". It was deliberate ignoring of the potential for it happening and collusion to keep things from becoming known, in order to save and maximize profits, with no thought given to the possible consequences. Businesses do it all the time.Quote:
Oh, my, there it is: You do live in a fantasy world, or else you write what you do deliberately ignoring reality. What will happen cannot be “fixed” by anyone in our lifetimes, that’s simple fact. Once you destroy an ecosystem, even if there are no outside forces to impede it, it takes nature decades, sometimes millennia, to bring it back, even if that’s possible.
...whoever is found to be most liable will pay the consequences. even if it means bankrupting BP
BP will do exactly what Exxon did with the Exxon/Valdez; fight paying any more than necessary tooth and nail, and tie up as much as humanly possible in courts for as long as possible so that those seeking redress run out of resources. It is STILL HAPPENING in Alaska, twenty years later.
Okay, I now grok it. You're either so enmeshed in believing what should be WILL be, only the government keeps it from being so, or else so determined to rile people up by stating obvious idiocy, that you are willing to post insanity such as this.
Given you're quite happy to say you view people as "individuals" and complain about lumping people into groups, yet consistently blame the government and "liberals" for everything under the sun and revile both quite consistently, your hypocrisy is as evident as your determination not to see reality. Either way, you are irrelevant to any meaningful discussion or debate on issues a far as I'm concerned.
I do believe you are a sockpuppet. My best guess would be Crappy or Wulf utilizing a sockpuppet to be able to make TRULY outrageous statements. There's a similarity in style to Crappy, and it wouldn't be a stretch for Wulf to create this style if he worked at it; all three refuse to recognize facts or reality; all three make such outrageous black-and-white, easily disproven statements that I would bet the motive is to trigger people into responses and nothing else. Whatever you may be, you're irrelevant for me in future.
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Can anyone explain to me what great profit BP or anyone would have gained by cutting cost , and where, which would have possibly resulted in there being a safety issue that ended up being the worst " man made" disaster in - ever ?
** ANYONE ** who thinks the Fed Gov't has done " all it possibly can " in response the Gulf Coast oil disaster, or who thinks Obama isn't lying to us all - I have no use for you. You deserve all the animosity and any vulgar "tone" directed your way. ( Anthony , that includes you, buddy. Sorry )
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Time is money. Time to drill a relief well, for example, is time lost from pumping unless they hire and train a completely separate group of workers--which workers they could "better" use in drilling another well for profit.
Time is money in that they'd have to stop drilling or delay drilling in order to implement numerous safety devices which would have avoided this.
Time lost to replace/repair the things that were wrong which "broke" or otherwise didn't stop the disaster was time lost pumping profits.
What you're not grasping is that they THINK in those terms; they think in bottom line: profits. What might result from their actions doesn't come into it, along with probably the laziness mentioned above and their own sense of infallibility, you know "It can't happen here".
There are already reports that they were told something would protect the will and dismissed it as taking too long.
By the way; given several new sigs (including mine), I don't recall ANYONE saying the government was doing "all that it could"...please provide proof. The argument that set you off was that they weren't doing "nothing" or "less than nothing". At least you showed your true ugliness in those posts, and hopefully no one will forget it--the fact that you would lash out at anyone who disagreed with you, without ANY self-control, speaks volumes.
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Here you go:Quote:
http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/weblogs/politcs-plus/2010/may/18/profi
After watching last Sunday's episode of 60 Minutes that detailed BP's role in recent oil spill; I came away convinced it's all about the money; profits over safety. Scott Pelley (host of 60 Minutes) questioned the top computer specialist, on board the massive deep shore oil rig, Mike Williams..... Mike Williams described a weeklong of mistakes before the explosion; like an operator damaging a vital piece of equipment called an annular (gasket) when he accidentally bumped into a joystick which applied hundreds of thousands of pounds of pressure on a closed blowout preventer. This damage alone prevented a future legitimate pressure test. Later the workers found pieces of rubber in the fluid they were using, causing them to believe it came from the damaged annular. Although this finding was reported, the BP supervisors would have none of it because BP was behind schedule and everyone heard “Time is money. And this job is costing BP a million dollars a day," Williams said. Just weeks before the disaster; BP took complete control and ordered a faster pace of drilling. This action caused the bottom of the well to split open.
ts-over-safety/. Hayward was compensated for increasing the companies operational performance and by increasing daily oil production however did Mr. Hayward increase the safety of BP Oil operations? We think not. In fact Mr. Hayward’s lack of attention to safety will cost the company tens of billions of dollars in the clean up and the pending lawsuits for what is being called the Biggest Oil Disaster Spill in History of the United States.
BP oil has gone head to head with Exxon in the race to produce the most profitable oil company in spite of ignoring proper best practices in oil drilling.
http://www.politicolnews.com/bp-oil-ceo-compensation/ Quote:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-10/bp-investor-sues-directors
A BP Plc investor has sued the company’s board of directors on claims its pursuit of profits at the expense of safety led to the Gulf of Mexico oil spill that could cost the company billions of dollars.
The lawsuit claims Chief Executive Officer Tony Hayward and other directors who sit on internal environmental and ethics panels failed to improve safety practices as promised by a settlement in an earlier shareholder lawsuit over a fatal explosion at BP’s Texas City refinery and oil leaks at company pipelines in Alaska.
“Even after a 2006 shareholder derivative proceeding brought as a last resort to require BP to address safety concerns was voluntarily settled out of court, these defendants continued to ignore and disregard safety issues concerning the company’s deepwater operations,” Lewis Kahn, of Kahn, Swick & Foti LLP, said in papers filed May 7 in New Orleans federal court.
BP directors “elected to cut costs, including safety and maintenance expenditures, in pursuit of profitable results to report to Wall Street,” Kahn said.
He claimed the defendants also lobbied state and federal agencies “to remove or decrease the extent of safety and maintenance regulation of the company’s Gulf operations, claiming, against all evidence, that ‘voluntary compliance’ would suffice to address safety and environmental concerns.”
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It's not just some of us here who believe it, these guys (and far more) do, too. Answer your question?
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They've found the MULTIPLE things which would have caused it; which one is irrelevant. In a functioning well, it wouldn't have happened.
There was no outside stimulus like a hurricane or something.
They've discovered the MULTIPLE warning signs that were deliberately ignored. They've found the things that should have been fixed if proper inspections were done which were deliberately ignored. They've found without a doubt that the MMS let BP WRITE ITS OWN INSPECTIONS.
you mean a government agency, MMS, colluded with a private company.. resulting in negligence and malfeasance?? bizzarre..
im not saying BP didnt cut corners. the spill was in international waters, was it not? i can see why the government should be involved. the problem is government workers are rarely paid based on performance. maybe if we had private companies to do the regulating, market competition would ensure that the regulators were effective in doing their jobs
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This was no "accident". It was deliberate ignoring of the potential for it happening and collusion to keep things from becoming known, in order to save and maximize profits, with no thought given to the possible consequences. Businesses do it all the time.
'no thought given to consequences'? if you were BP, i doubt youd see this spill as positive PR. and typical for the left, the real enemy is private industry, 'maximizing profits', because "Businesses do it all the time". so what was your solution again Niki? lets follow the Interior Secretary Salazars sentiments and put the governments boot on the necks of BP and the oil industry... see how that works out for us
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Oh, my, there it is: You do live in a fantasy world, or else you write what you do deliberately ignoring reality. What will happen cannot be “fixed” by anyone in our lifetimes, that’s simple fact. Once you destroy an ecosystem, even if there are no outside forces to impede it, it takes nature decades, sometimes millennia, to bring it back, even if that’s possible.
oh.. thats complete propaganda. its a fact that no one person, can predict how long it will take for the ecosystems to recover. it could be 50 years, it could be half that; it could even happen in a decade with some clean up. obviously there are some serious consequences to the spill. but the oil did come from the earth, it was all natural, not refined in anyway. why werent we allowed to burn it off?
the earth is incredibly resiliant, its been around a lot longer then we have, and its been through worse then this. in my mind, this is really about mankind and his rape of mother earth, for these evil 'profits'..and how we need to accept government control of our lives to protect us from ourselves
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Okay, I now grok it. You're either so enmeshed in believing what should be WILL be, only the government keeps it from being so, or else so determined to rile people up by stating obvious idiocy, that you are willing to post insanity such as this.
whats so crazy about what i said? im upset about the accident! and i hope BP is held to task. i just dont think the solution is to demonize and overburden an already weak US oil industry. Obama last week had a press event at a solar plant, and gave a speech asserting the need for green energy, in order to protect the environment. well DUH! but those are decisions made in the private sector, not to be subsidized and monopolized by government and special interests. no one has the right decide for me, what energy source i choose to use- which is what this is all leading to
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Given you're quite happy to say you view people as "individuals" and complain about lumping people into groups, yet consistently blame the government and "liberals" for everything the sun and revile both quite consistently, your hypocrisy is as evident as your determination not to see reality.
i have friends who are liberals. does that mean they are not also individuals? but if they consistently come down on the
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PR doesn’t count where profits are concerned. People need gas/oil and will continue to buy it—and you can’t boycott PB, they make tons of things we’re not even aware they profit from. No, they did the usual “let’s cut corners here, nothing will happen” short-sightedness of HUMANS, not private enterprise. Many humans with power will ignore the chance something awful will result if they ignore safety, you have only to look around you to see it in practice.
if you were BP, i doubt youd see this spill as positive PR
And I blame MMS absolutely as much as I blame BP, don’t lump me with those you hate so easily. The above applies equally to them as to BP. For THEIR incompetence I blame the Dumbya Administration—not him specifically because he was just uncaring and ignorant. But those in his administration not only made it easy for this sort of thing to happen, THEY (meaning Cheney, etc.) colluded with Big Oil to maximize profits in lieu of caring about their responsibilities. They were having too much fun snorting coke off toaster ovens and jumping into bed with each other and BP; the administration at that time fostered both ineptness and laxness when it came to oversight, there’s no denying that.
I don’t think it was international waters, however; from what I found:Quote:
I’m not sure if that classifies as federal waters, but it’s all I could find.
At the time of the explosion, the Deepwater Horizon was on Mississippi Canyon Block 252, referred to as the Macondo Prospect, in the United States sector of the Gulf of Mexico, about 41 miles (66 km) off the Louisiana coast.Quote:
That’s pure bullshit. Nobody can predict specifically, but we have previous instances from which we can extrapolate. The Exxon-Valdez has still left the fishing industry in Prince William Sound pretty much gone and there is still uncleaned oil, twenty years later, for example, and this is going to end up much, much bigger.
thats complete propaganda. its a fact that no one person, can predict how long it will take for the ecosystems to recover
Beyond that, you’re unfortunately talking to an environmentalist. I could explain in detail, but I’m told some people don’t read my posts, given their length. JUST the wetlands, however, will take decades or a lifetime to rebound, if at all. Ecology is all connected; when you kill off, for example, the microscopic top inches of organisms which make the wetlands possible, all the wetlands affected die off pretty rapidly, and those organisms cannot survive this.
Of course the Earth can rebuild, but you do enough damage to her, she rebuilds differently; you do enough truly toxic damage to her, it overwhelms her ability to rebuild what was. There are so many examples in the world one has to be completely blind to say she can rebuild anything. Deserts created by deforestation, rainforests destroyed by clear cutting.
Oil is a complicated mixture of many components, and its fate and behavior on the sea surface largely depends on its initial properties and composition as well as on specific local environmental conditions. Spreading, evaporation, dispersion, and emulsification can rapidly alter oil properties within several hours, leading to formation of water-in-oil emulsion.
I could educate you on tons about habitat and ecosystem destruction, from which it will never recover.Quote:
Habitat destruction and fragmentation is a process that describes the emergences of discontinuities (fragmentation) or the loss (destruction) of the environment inhabited by an organism. Marine ecosystems are experiencing high rates of habitat loss and degradation, and these processes are considered as the most critical threat to marine biodiversity [1]. It is estimated that every day between 1960 and 1995, a kilometer of coastline was developed, causing permanent losses of valuable habitats, such as coastal wetlands, seagrass meadows and rocky shores [2]. Approximately 20% of the world’s coral reefs were lost and an additional 20% degrad
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The wetlands and marshes are the most potentially affected are, by the way. While they recovered completely from smaller spills, there's no way of knowing how much, if any, of them can recover from this huge a deluge of oil.Quote:
http://www.greenfudge.org/2010/05/24/update-gulf-coast-oil-spill-clean
Nearly 10 million gallons of an oil-water mix have been skimmed off the surface and still no end to the cleanup (or spill) is in site. It’s also started to wash ashore and threatens many wildlife and habitats. Unfortunately, cleaning oil-soaked wetlands is practically impossible and the environmental impact will be nothing short of disastrous. Chemical dispersants are being used to keep as much of the oil away from the coast as possible, but the dispersants are also toxic and could cause their own bit of damage to wildlife, as well.
up-has-grim-outlook-wetlands-recovery-nearly-impossible/ Quote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/23/gulf-oil-spill-cleaning-w_n_5
The gooey oil washing into the maze of marshes along the Gulf Coast could prove impossible to remove, leaving a toxic stew lethal to fish and wildlife, government officials and independent scientists said.
They warn an aggressive cleanup could ruin the marshes and do more harm than good. The only viable option for many impacted areas is to do nothing and let nature break down the spill.
"Oil in the marshes is the worst-case scenario," said Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the head of the federal effort to contain and clean up the spill.
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We can only wait and see, given the above.
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