It's worse than we know
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Friday, August 29, 2025 14:55
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Also, remember Gulf War I, when Saddam knocked the caps off so many wellheads, and just left oil gushing all over the desert and burning so much that it turned the skies black over huge swaths of the landscape? That was oil under pressure, not being pumped out by mechanical means. If it were being pumped out, you could just turn off the pump. Wouldn't that have been sweet?
I remember that. Thanks to the info from yourself, and Nikki, I understand. Oil Rigs are something I have never given two thoughts about till now.
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I hear ya, Oppyh. I bet we're ALL gonna know more than we ever wanted to about oil wells before this is over. :)
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I'm glad we were of some service, Oppyh. Sadly, I think it will all be forgotten a few years from now, and the cry of "Drilly, Baby, Drill" will gain supporters once again.
But that it were not to be so...
Raptor:
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...so much for "togetherness"...this, instead, weakens us...
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
But I'll be goddamned if I'm going to try to lay the entirety of the disaster at the feet of Obama.
That award is yet to be determined, but BP seems to be the leading candidate.
( Remember when it was Haliburton concrete which was improperly poured, or some such, that was the early on favorite ? )
Whether a freak accident or not, we'll know soon enough. Likely it's already known, but we're not being told... But after BP, THE FEDERAL GOV'T gets dismal marks for failing to react quick enough, decisive enough or smart enough. This after all the fuss and fury over Katrina.... Eloquent speeches and photo ops aren't going to get the job done. We should have listened to those who live there, and done what they asked / begged to be done.
But to listen to Obama, nothing's been done w/ out the Federal Gov't first approving of it. So, while the CAUSE of the accident may not be D.C.'s, the reaction to it most certainly is.
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Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The Federal Gov't is showing it can't handled -anything. Billions of our tax $$'s, and what do we get ? All the bureaucracies, all the agencies, all the dept. heads and all the mountains of regulations have amounted to dick.
They can't even help an entire city when it's wiped off the face of the map.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
But I'll be goddamned if I'm going to try to lay the entirety of the disaster at the feet of Obama.
That award is yet to be determined, but BP seems to be the leading candidate.
( Remember when it was Haliburton concrete which was improperly poured, or some such, that was the early on favorite ? )
Whether a freak accident or not, we'll know soon enough. Likely it's already known, but we're not being told... But after BP, THE FEDERAL GOV'T gets dismal marks for failing to react quick enough, decisive enough or smart enough. This after all the fuss and fury over Katrina.... Eloquent speeches and photo ops aren't going to get the job done. We should have listened to those who live there, and done what they asked / begged to be done.
But to listen to Obama, nothing's been done w/ out the Federal Gov't first approving of it. So, while the CAUSE of the accident may not be D.C.'s, the reaction to it most certainly is.
Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."
Finally, something(s) we can agree on!
Yes, the response should have been much more massive and much sooner. In situations like this, there really is absolutely no way anyone can do too much, or even enough.
It's a fucked situation. The well isn't plugged, the "top kill" failed, and here we still are, with more oil being pumped into the Gulf, likely until a relief well is completed.
Mike
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor
This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma
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This whole thing has just been ludicrous and intelligence insulting puppet theater. Every single thing that BP has tried, with Obama's so-called "direction", during the last 40 days was destined by previous experience to fail. The exact same things were tried 31 years ago for the Mexican spill, and that one was in fairly shallow water. They only got that one shut off with relief wells, but it took them nine months. Why have they wasted all this time with these known-to-fail futile efforts? They didn't work back then, so what ever made them think they'd work now? "They" say it will be late August or September before relief lines can be built. That really means October. Five months at 10,000 barrels a day spewing out. What do you think America's East Coast and Gulf Coast are going to look like by then? Hurricane Season arrives in Florida and the Gulf on Tuesday, June 1, and the National Weather Service is predicitng a very active season. That should certainly help ensure the widest possible dispersement and spread of the oil-water all over non-coastal areas too.
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Everything you said, JS. That Mexican disaster isn't known by many, so they don't get it, but it's been reported a couple of places.
I would say the answer is "PR"...tho' I'm pretty sure they DO want it stopped, for monetary reasons, I'm also pretty sure they knew none of those things would work, but did them anyway so people would't be madder at them than they ARE--maybe even so they'd gain some sympathy for "busting our asses trying". If they had done nothing but say "we know nothing will work until the relief wells" and sat on their hands, can you imagine the furor?? So they did things they knew about, and the publics hopes went up and down, up and down. It's pretty predictable.
I don't see this as being under Obama's "direction". They've been quick to tell us all along that only BP knew how to deal with the gusherfuck itself and they let them have a free hand. Pushed 'em, no doubt, but that's all. On the other hand, the demand that Obama do something about plugging it is insane to me; NOBODY apparently has a viable answer this deep, certainly not our government!
As for the cleanup, not the gusher itself, that's another matter. I given the administration points for some things, but for actual PHYSICAL ASSISTANCE, I have to agree with others; the resources to get some real physical help down there MUST exist, and should damned well BE there post haste.
I excuse them for the first few days, because initially it was the fire and loss of life, the BP lied for several days about the flow, but once we all knew the probably impact of the constant flow, physical help should have been one of the very first things that was given. In that respect, I cut them no slack.
I'm beginning to wonder if the Corps of Engineers has something in common with MMS...perhaps not in corruptness, but possibly in ineptness...
To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor
To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor
To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor
...so much for "togetherness"...this, instead, weakens us...
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All wells probably ought to be simultaneously built with relief wells, so in case one is lost, another can start which will also create enough drawdown in the aquifer to stop a leaky well.
The should also have redundant safety systems. Why they don't seems to be a combination of poor engineering, sloppiness, and laziness.
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