South of the Border
POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Monday, April 7, 2025 00:28
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Hello,
Golf ball launchers, like potato launchers, are fun.
Just like guns in general, incidentally. Many the aluminum can, melon, and paper target has succumbed to my violent attentions.
Use them responsibly, but don't be afraid to enjoy the process.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Hello Dream,
What WOULD solve the problem, in your opinion?
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,
Golf ball launchers, like potato launchers, are fun.
Just like guns in general, incidentally. Many the aluminum can, melon, and paper target has succumbed to my violent attentions.
Use them responsibly, but don't be afraid to enjoy the process.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad
Gotta agree with that. My buddy was looking for some stripped AR15 lowers. He just built up a brand new "off the books" AR15 with no records on it at all, from parts he bought legally and off the books. He put less than $600 into the built, total. We took it to the range Sunday, where it was putting every round in a 30-round magazine inside a 2" circle on open sights at 75 yds. I was quite impressed. My Saiga was quite jealous. :)
I was searching for a decent little something at the gun show, but didn't see anything that caught me eye. At least, nothing that wasn't hideously overpriced. This is an "alternative" gun show that was set up as a counterprotest against the Austin Police Department's unofficial "policy" at the longtime Saxet Gun Show, where APD started insisting that EVERYBODY selling or buying must go through the background check, and must pay for the privilege. I've no problem doing the background check, but if they're going to insist on it even for person-to-person private sellers, they really should offer the service for free.
So as a result, that show folded, at least here in Austin, and a new "under the radar" show was set up, where every booth has a sign that says "Private Sale: No background checks, No FFL fees, No paperwork!" Which creeps me out, to a degree. We immediately dubbed it "The Convicted Felons' Gun Show". And while I don't mind buying a gun with out a paper trail, I don't feel the need to pay $475 for a $150 Tokarev 7.62x25mm Soviet-era semi-auto handgun. I'm not a big fan of gouging, no matter how you spin it. :)
But hey, if I feel the need for a Walther .22 with a suppressor, I know where to get one...
Mike
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,
Golf ball launchers, like potato launchers, are fun.
Just like guns in general, incidentally. Many the aluminum can, melon, and paper target has succumbed to my violent attentions.
Use them responsibly, but don't be afraid to enjoy the process.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad
Gotta agree with that. My buddy was looking for some stripped AR15 lowers. He just built up a brand new "off the books" AR15 with no records on it at all, from parts he bought legally and off the books. He put less than $600 into the built, total. We took it to the range Sunday, where it was putting every round in a 30-round magazine inside a 2" circle on open sights at 75 yds. I was quite impressed. My Saiga was quite jealous. :)
I was searching for a decent little something at the gun show, but didn't see anything that caught me eye. At least, nothing that wasn't hideously overpriced. This is an "alternative" gun show that was set up as a counterprotest against the Austin Police Department's unofficial "policy" at the longtime Saxet Gun Show, where APD started insisting that EVERYBODY selling or buying must go through the background check, and must pay for the privilege. I've no problem doing the background check, but if they're going to insist on it even for person-to-person private sellers, they really should offer the service for free.
So as a result, that show folded, at least here in Austin, and a new "under the radar" show was set up, where every booth has a sign that says "Private Sale: No background checks, No FFL fees, No paperwork!" Which creeps me out, to a degree. We immediately dubbed it "The Convicted Felons' Gun Show". And while I don't mind buying a gun with out a paper trail, I don't feel the need to pay $475 for a $150 Tokarev 7.62x25mm Soviet-era semi-auto handgun. I'm not a big fan of gouging, no matter how you spin it. :)
But hey, if I feel the need for a Walther .22 with a suppressor, I know where to get one...
You think there's any connection with the thread subject and your under the radar gun show with no background checks?
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Anthony,
Frem already said it. Legalize drugs, destroy the market value. Smugglers don't run rum up from Columbia, it's just not worth it, and it's not necessary. If coffee is more profitable than cocaine, you have solved the problem.
A whole host of the worlds problems come from artificial markets putting a hog value on something that doesn't really merit it, such as war, deforestation, etc. Up to and including poor economy fuels and bad healthcare.
We need a new govt branch called "Dept with a brain"
The current warlords need to be phased out, give them a better job as you destroy their market. They're pretty violent, make the prison guards or something. Ive noticed around here that drug trafficking does continue even though they would make more money farming, but that's because they're lazy, so the new options have to be something that just falls in their lap. But nothing kills a market like supply.
Someone did an experiment in the 80s trading cocaine futures. They found the market price of an oz of cocaine was about a buck fifty if you take away the legal barriers. Such an economy could exist, but it could never sustain the fifty middlemen required to get it to your door.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Oh, and I did see a grenade launcher attachment for an M16/M4 for sale Saturday at the fun show - er, I mean GUN show. No grenades, though; that would be illegal. But you can get the launcher attachment. Not sure why anyone WOULD, but they're out there.
That's a 37mm attachment, Mikey - whether they admitted it or not, and those are legal smoke/flare launchers, nor will they take or fire a 40mm grenade.
Been seein more of those around, and of course the occasional yahoo trying to pawn it off as a 40mm, or state that it's convertable to one.
They can be fun in their own right though, last 4th of July someone on a pontoon boat out in the lake was using white star clusters for fireworks, it was pretty impressive - I was doing rounds at site three and there were SO MANY fireworks (most of them not legal, but now MI is legalizing a lot of the ones that weren't) that there was this visible cloud of powder-smoke overlaying the place like a light fog for HOURS.
I was concerned about undetonated or misfired works landing on a roof and starting a fire, but thankfully that didn't happen, and a light mist of rain towards about 4am did a lot to allay those fears.
-F
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Hello,
Some questions.
Given the taxes placed on cigarettes and liquor in some states, what kind of tax can we expect on legalized Cocaine? Once such a tax is applied, how much incentive is there for continued black marketing?
Also, if the legalization of cocaine does somehow dry up the incentive for high-powered crime in Mexico, what happens in a country where the entire legal infrastructure is infiltrated and tied to the drug trade?
--Anthony
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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
You think there's any connection with the thread subject and your under the radar gun show with no background checks?
Possibly, but it would be a tenuous connection at best.
1) There were more than a few feds and police in attendance. While they don't like it, they ARE rather powerless to stop it, and these are the folks who absolutely WILL push back, and the city really doesn't want to be embroiled in a protracted lawsuit that's going to cost them a fortune, and which they are going to lose anyway.
2) Believe it or not, there really weren't that many Hispanics in attendance. And the ones who were there were speaking English without any discernible accent. They *might* be illegals, out on a buying spree for the Mexican cartels, but they did a pretty good job of covering it up if they were.
3) If you want to put a stop to person-to-person sales, be my guest. Let's make it official, though, an apply it to everything. Adios eBay and Craigslist, because unregulated commerce might be occurring if you don't outlaw sites like that. No more want ads, and the only things you can buy must come from government-approved vendors and stores. Sound good? (By the way, I've already got all the legal precedent I need to do this: pharmacies are the only legal places to buy prescription drugs, and it's illegal to buy alcohol or tobacco from an unlicensed or unregulated seller, so we can apply those rules to ALL sales of everything, if you really want to go that route).
As has been pointed out, the illegals-at-the-gunshow ruse has been brought up again and again, and debunked just as often, yet it still keeps coming up. No matter what the "news" claims, you really can't buy machineguns at the gun show, and you can't buy rocket launchers or grenades, either. As Frem pointed out, you CAN buy a "grenade launcher", which is in reality nothing more than a flare gun attachment.
Mike
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Originally posted by pizmobeach:
You think there's any connection with the thread subject and your under the radar gun show with no background checks?
Possibly, but it would be a tenuous connection at best.
1) There were more than a few feds and police in attendance. While they don't like it, they ARE rather powerless to stop it, and these are the folks who absolutely WILL push back, and the city really doesn't want to be embroiled in a protracted lawsuit that's going to cost them a fortune, and which they are going to lose anyway.
2) Believe it or not, there really weren't that many Hispanics in attendance. And the ones who were there were speaking English without any discernible accent. They *might* be illegals, out on a buying spree for the Mexican cartels, but they did a pretty good job of covering it up if they were.
3) If you want to put a stop to person-to-person sales, be my guest. Let's make it official, though, an apply it to everything. Adios eBay and Craigslist, because unregulated commerce might be occurring if you don't outlaw sites like that. No more want ads, and the only things you can buy must come from government-approved vendors and stores. Sound good? (By the way, I've already got all the legal precedent I need to do this: pharmacies are the only legal places to buy prescription drugs, and it's illegal to buy alcohol or tobacco from an unlicensed or unregulated seller, so we can apply those rules to ALL sales of everything, if you really want to go that route).
As has been pointed out, the illegals-at-the-gunshow ruse has been brought up again and again, and debunked just as often, yet it still keeps coming up. No matter what the "news" claims, you really can't buy machineguns at the gun show, and you can't buy rocket launchers or grenades, either. As Frem pointed out, you CAN buy a "grenade launcher", which is in reality nothing more than a flare gun attachment.
"illegals-at-the-gunshow ruse"
That's not how I would think it would work for the very reasons you're pointing out. It wouldn't be illegals it would go betweens, mules, who are in strictly in it for the money. They could be any skin tone as long as they like green. The buyers have front men that do recon, scope out who's selling what and get a feeling for the seller. That's probably what the cops are doing too. I would think any gunhead would know if dealer #32 is selling X then they might also have access to Y. Then you make contact at a quieter, more opportune time. Just guessing of course.
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Anthony
Tax would be a bad idea, it would give the govt a vested interest in the industry.
The other is a problem. Eventually that power structure would decay and be replaced. I don't know of a quick fix for Columbia itself. I suspect some program to support a more legit industry would help. Coffee, maybe. Sure, there's not as much money now in coffee as cocaine, but hats because they are only on the growing end. If they were in on the service industry like starbucks, they could make a serious go of it.
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