system or galaxy - what are the facts?

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SERGEANTX

Thursday, July 8, 2004 8:55 PM

It was the not-quite-finished version of the pilot that Fox decided was too slow. Someone leaked it out over the internet before the series started. Not much was different really. The soundtrack was just stand-in tracks borrowed from other movies, a couple of scenes had minor differences. The video quality was pretty bad though. It seemed like someone had copied it to .avi from a vhs tape, a worn out videotape at that.

The intro went like this:

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The War to Unite the Planets was six years done and the victorious Alliance was spreading its control further and further throughout the galaxy.

Those who had fought for independence and so bloodily lost had no choice but to live by Alliance law.

Some never would and those few found themselves drifting, flying to the furthest reaches of the galaxy, to the worlds less civilized - some barely settled - where the Alliance might not control their lives.

These were hard worlds, and work was where you found it. Those who got by lived by a simple creed.

Any job, anywhere.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

FORRESTWOLF

Thursday, July 8, 2004 10:25 PM

Well, it looks like we'll put the Gliese version of events, with some Independent-tailored language, into the Nightfire Player's Guide. Seems to be a hit with the others working on it :)

I'll be sure to give credit to appropriate people...

Forrestwolf
Nightfire: Neverwinter Nights Firefly

CREVANREAVER

Thursday, July 8, 2004 11:37 PM

Forrestwolf, where is the Nightfire Player's Guide, what's the web address?

ROCKETJOCK

Friday, July 9, 2004 5:29 AM

Just a few observations:

1. The opening narrations aren't preserved on the box set, so I assume Joss doesn't consider them cannonical. Just as well, as they're contradictory anyway.

2. The blue hands guy's line about traveling 86 million miles has no real context -- If I'm investigating something in Sacramento and I have to drop everything to fly to San Jose on a dubious lead, I might gripe about "having to fly a hundred and fifty miles", but it doesn't mean I can't hop a jet to Shanghai the next morning. Annoyance is relative.

3. Barring a definative statement from Joss on the subject, or new data from the BDM or its (hopefully multiple) sequels, we're all making an awful lot of soup from one mouse...

For the record, I'm a "multiple systems" man myself, but I'm not dogmatic on the subject. As with Jubal Harshaw's feelings on religions, "Each choice, wholly paradoxical, avoids the paradoxes of the other."

"You can't enslave a free man. The most you can do is kill him." -- Robert A. Heinlein

RANGRBOB

Friday, July 9, 2004 6:45 AM

This may have been brought up but if you read the description of the movie on serenitymovie.com it refers multiple times to galaxy.
1. Browncoats are forced to live as galactic outcasts.
2. Captain Malcolm Reynolds is a hardened veteran on the losing side of a galactic civil war,
3. A small band of them skim the outskirts of the galaxy
I don't know how offical they are but there they are.

LJSQUARED

Friday, July 9, 2004 7:46 AM

I've always liked the idea of a compromise between both. A cluster of stars perhaps 5-10 light years in diameter. We could then have a situation where ships travel close to the speed of light but not beyond it, this is theoreticaly possible (the problem is stopping).
So when the crew refer to the "galaxy" it really means known galaxy.
My main reason for not liking the system idea is there simply wouldn't be enough planets or moons. My main reason for not liking the whole galaxy idea is that FTL just doesn't seem to fit in Firefly. This is a good way for ex-trekkies (who simply must know these things) to deal with the ambiguity in Firefly.

FORRESTWOLF

Friday, July 9, 2004 1:36 PM

Crevanreaver -

The address for the whole module, which includes the Player's Guide, is (not referred to as Nightfire there, by the way - that's new):

http://nwvault.ign.com/Files/modules/data/1080769905000.shtml

It's about 1.6 MB, zipped, because it includes the NWN module as well as the player's guide pdf.

The current version doesn't include your history - we're working on that now - it's got 'Browncoat' language added, as if an old Independent were telling the story on his back porch to a young 'un. We'll be uploading that soon.

If you really just want the player's guide, it's on my Yahoo group web site:

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/fireflynwn/

(but thanks to Yahoo, you've got to request to join the group :(

Rangrbob - I noticed that first thing on the official site - really got me down - but I think it's more of Joss not deciding (the review of the movie I've read indicated 'solar system' language was still in when the author read their unofficial copy of the script).
- Forrestwolf
Nightfire: Neverwinter Nights Firefly

BARNSTORMER

Friday, July 9, 2004 1:48 PM

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Originally posted by BarnStormer:
I think it has to be a Star Cluster. Meaning an area of space that has several stars in relatively close proximity to each other. There are thousands (hundreds of thousands) of these star clusters known to exist.

The ONE main fact that I know of, that points to Joss and Tim and the other writers showing us this in a loose fashion is the following:

In the episode Safe, The first two scenes are of Serenity landing on a planet, and then they show the three "really nice kidnappers" skinning the rabbit. In these two scenes, the lighting used for these two outdoor daytime scenes is an intense blue/white color. Meaning the sun in that particular solar system comes from a blue/white dwarf star. This could even be THE "Blue Sun" that evil corporations are named after.

After these two scenes, the outdoor lighting color becomes a much less annoying yellow color that we earth dwellers are used to. I think they did this on purpose, to show this light was from a totally different type of star than any of the other planets they had landed on, but then they shifted the color spectrum so as not to annoy the viewers for the rest of the episode.

Joss seems to really want to steer clear of the Star Trekian technobabble. Like detailed descriptions of Warp Bubbles and saving the day time and time again with Inverse Tachyon beams. I don't fault him on this in the least. The interpersonal relationships and the story arc he is telling are of much more importance to me.

But he does put in the occasional hint.

What do you think of this observation everyone?

Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.

BarnStormer

OK, no responses on this observation/theory?

Helllloooooooooooo
Is anyone out there?

If I'm way off base, then tell me.

I'm a large, semi muscular man.....I can take it.

Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.

BarnStormer

PURPLEBELLY

Friday, July 9, 2004 2:02 PM

I think Firefly, as a SciFi-Western, is about science fiction like Wagon Train was about pioneering and Rawhide was about cattle. Please don't stop discussing everything that can be based on the show, but I guess all the writers were Arts majors, so don't lean too heavily on them

CREVANREAVER

Saturday, July 10, 2004 8:39 AM

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we'll put the Gliese version of events, with some Independent-tailored language, into the Nightfire Player's Guide

I found some information on Gliese 876, which is actually a real solar system.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap980626.html

Since, it is real and does not actually have three stars, I was thinking perhaps you guys should make it a different solar system for the Nightfire Player's Guide. Maybe Gliese 877?

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