Star Wars for the next generation
POSTED BY: khambilo
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...? Did you miss the part in this very thread where some people said they were inspired to become engineers by Star Wars?
A movie doesn't have to hammer home "be creative children!" aesops to inspire people to create. Aesops are really a very ineffective way to inspire people to change their ways or encourage a behaviour. "Oh that's cool!" actually works much better.
Unfortunately, this is not how the school system works. Sit at your desks and memorize these lines and these dates, class. If you want to blame something for a lack of creativity in current generations of adults, there's your culprit.
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Originally posted by two:
Parents ought to go with their children to How To Train Your Dragon, which has teenager Hiccup thinking, inventing, and being original. Those characteristics need encouragement from movies.
See, there we can agree. While I havn't seen that film yet, I do hear good things, and those are traits I'd like to see promoted.
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Dragon is much better for children than any StarWars-Avatar-Top Gun, which are only fine if your children are joining the U.S. Marines.
But here you seem to be getting small minded again. A huge percentage of working filmmakers today cite Star Wars as the reason they got into it in the first place. I'd bet money that if we asked the people behind Dragon, that at the very least some of them would say the same. Inspiration comes in many forms - it's foolish to say that only one pre-packaged piece of corporate entertianment (which Dragon most certainly is, quality of said product aside) can ispire kids.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Sit at your desks and memorize these lines and these dates, class. If you want to blame something for a lack of creativity in current generations of adults, there's your culprit.
As a teacher, I consider that a rather big distortion of the reality I see everyday.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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It's not a reflection on you, but rather certain teaching styles.
And sometimes a school administration enforces a certain teaching style that's proven to not work, a la No Child Left Behind. Of course children won't care about a subject if you're drilling them for tests. If you want to improve performance in schools you have to stir up interest in the topic.
Many kids, from elementary school going into highschool, they don't care about school. This is because they're forced to go, they have to learn the subjects presented, and test-failure negative feedback. Those are good ways to turn someone off from learning, because it all ceases to be interesting for them. And if it's not interesting, they don't want to know it, and if they don't want to know it they're not going to test well, and if they're not going to test well they wonder why they should even bother.
All children start out curious.
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Originally posted by Zeek:
James Cameron has achieved massive success and took the exact same genre to new film making levels. Showing that it is entirely possible in this day and age. Also showing success doesn't lobotomize creativity.
True, Titanic and Avatar made Cameron the #1 money making machine in Hollywood. Nothing to scoff at.
Although his earlier works(Terminator, Abyss, Aliens) I feel are much more original, and entertaining.
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Those were too flawed to bother with.
Really? That's the best you can do? Flawed how then?
Sounds like you just don't have an answer, and rather than address the ideas, you bail.
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James Cameron has achieved massive success and took the exact same genre to new film making levels. Showing that it is entirely possible in this day and age. Also showing success doesn't lobotomize creativity.
Well, if you're going to take it to that minute level, the technological advances Lucas utilized in the making of particularly Ep 1 & 2 are equivalent to what Cameron did with Avatar. So, by that criteria, he did raise the craft again with the prequels.
And I didn't say success ALWAYS lobotomizes creativity - but if you look, that is usually the case. Innovation in most art forms comes from the new guys, not the old guard.
You're right I don't want to waste my time debating with you. You've proven that you can't admit you're wrong in the past. I've seen no change in your behavior. So, what would be the point?
For the record I didn't see any technical achievement with the episode I. I don't remember any outpouring of praise in that department either.
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Quote:I'm not optimistic about a future built on the dreams of generations of filmmakers, engineers, astronauts, generals, and politicians who are inspired by StarWars, George Lucas, Avatar, Terminator 2, and James Cameron. www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2010/1005.homans.html There is violent death as subject of their movies. And then all that money spent by Lucas & Cameron must be discouraging for filmmakers with small budgets. In fifty years I will know if I was being too pessimistic. I hope I'm wrong because I'll be there. “Droids, Skynet, I surrender. Don't shoot!”
Originally posted by Bytemite:
...? Did you miss the part in this very thread where some people said they were inspired to become engineers by Star Wars?
A movie doesn't have to hammer home "be creative children!" aesops to inspire people to create. Aesops are really a very ineffective way to inspire people to change their ways or encourage a behaviour. "Oh that's cool!" actually works much better....
I was inspired by Serenity and Joss Whedon to read Time's Arrow and Archimedes' Point: New Directions for the Physics of Time and From Eternity to Here: The Quest for the Ultimate Theory of Time and The Quantum Challenge, Second Edition: Modern Research on the Foundations of Quantum Mechanics. You wouldn't believe it but I found explanations for River's precognition. “...Earlier hidden variables are affected by later measurements.” The authors of the books won't believe it either. If they heard, they'd think I was a junior crank. I'd leave school in disgrace.
The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by Zeek:
You're right I don't want to waste my time debating with you. You've proven that you can't admit you're wrong in the past. I've seen no change in your behavior. So, what would be the point?
Well, hard for me to admit being wrong when you can't even come up with any points to refute me. At least I'm trying to discuss the issue - you seem to just want everyone to think your opinion is fact.
I am open to discussion, and thus open to the idea that I could be wrong - but you have to have something to, you know, back up what you say beyond your opinion.
You think I'm so wrong - yet cannot even form a single argument or salient point which illustrates this.
So, yes, I suppose I will continue to consider myself right as long as you don't even have the nerve to stand up for your POV.
But if you want to bring past discussions in - well, you have shown a tendency to become aggressive and belligerent anytime anyone disagrees with you. I can admit when I'm wrong - others here can attest to that. But you seem to loose your shit anytime someone says you're wrong.... so it seems you're doing a wee bit of projection there, friend.
I made my points - I stand by them. If you disagree - and you have every right to - at least TRY to make your point, rather than stamping your feet like a petulant child getting cranky because they didn't get their way.
But just shouting "you're wrong" without showing the balls to back your arguments, is pretty pathetic. You have a point, MAKE IT. Otherwise, STFU.
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For the record I didn't see any technical achievement with the episode I. I don't remember any outpouring of praise in that department either.
Then you weren't paying much attention. It was the first film to not only have an all-CG main character, but also upped the stakes on digital characters in terms of number on screen, and facial animation. It was the first live action film to have several sequences which were virtually all animated. Plus, it was one of the first films to extensively use CG set extensions. Episode II was the first large scale production to shoot on digital, and the first to extensively use CG doubles rather than stunt actors.
Your ignorance (or more likely refusal to acknowledge) of the advances made on those films doesn't mean they didn't happen.
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Actually, my single biggest problem with Phantom Menace was the crappy puppet that was Yoda. They fixed that in Attack & Revenge though.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Actually, my single biggest problem with Phantom Menace was the crappy puppet that was Yoda. They fixed that in Attack & Revenge though.
The laughing Chrisisall
Yeah.... pretty sad when a 1999 puppet looks worse than the one they used 20 years prior.
That's one thing about the eventual re-release/Blu ray version, is the CGed Ep 1 Yoda.
Though that'd hardly be my biggest issue with the movie, it was certainly one that stood out.
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