Star Wars for the next generation
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UPDATED: Friday, May 7, 2010 15:28
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Quote:Actually, there used to be thousands of Sith. It was only after the Battle of Ruusan (which killed off an army of Sith Lords and Jedi) that Darth Bane created the Rule of Two. That was about 1000 years before TPM (the point when most Jedi believed the Sith went extinct).
Originally posted by Bytemite:
The Sith only have two Lords, who are taught by the previous two lords, all the way back to the first non-Sith who received the teachings from the Sith-species.
Quote:And see, this is my problem with them, as a writer/film-person myself.
Originally posted by Storymark:
when it comes down to it, and by his own admission, Lucas is an idea man - and not much of a writer.
So, Lucas knows he's not a great writer. That's fine. Lot of people aren't. But a lot of people are. The whole reason the entertainment industry exists is to put talented artists in touch with talented artists. The nature of film is deeply collaborative; most films are "written" by half a dozen people, regardless of who gets which credit.
I'm sure that, in less time than it takes for a PA to fetch a coffee, George "I Own Hollywood" Lucas could have no less than 50 award-winning writers lined up to take a revision pass over his scripts. Yet he did not do so.
Why?
To me, the only possible reason is because he didn't think it worth it. Didn't think it mattered as long as the effects were good.
What it boils down to is this: Lucas had the capability (and God knows, the budget) to deliver the best possible product. He deliberately chose not to. Apparently, his fans were not worth it.
I will never consider the prequels to be anything more than an overproduced, well-marketed special effects demo reel.
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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
But if y'all watch them expecting your lives to change, well you're in for some hurt, and frankly you shouldn't be looking toward a film by Lucas for that anyway!
Why is that? I don't think it's out of line to say he changed the world with Star Wars. I bet there are plenty of people who's entire lives were changed by the originals. I don't even know if I would have become an enginerd if it weren't for star wars.
Is it that far fetched to think that he could change the world again? Obviously after the fact it's plain to see he didn't, but going in there was no way to know what he had in store for us.
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I went with Star Wars, TESB, ROTJthen the prequels for my boys.
They love all of them, but the only one they really watch all the way through (no fast-forwarding to the "good" parts) is The Empire Strikes Back. Kinda proud of them for that.
One other thing about watching the prequels then the OT...it makes Luke's attraction to Leia really really creepy.
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Quote:I had not thought of that!
Originally posted by Moose:
One other thing about watching the prequels then the OT...it makes Luke's attraction to Leia really really creepy.
You are correct sir!
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Originally posted by Zeek:
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Why is that? I don't think it's out of line to say he changed the world with Star Wars. I bet there are plenty of people who's entire lives were changed by the originals. I don't even know if I would have become an enginerd if it weren't for star wars.
When you're a child sure you're more impressionable - but as an adult?
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Is it that far fetched to think that he could change the world again?
For us who grew up since having watched the originals yes I think it is far fetched. For kids of the generation of I, II & III there's a chance he'll inspire those kids.
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Obviously after the fact it's plain to see he didn't, but going in there was no way to know what he had in store for us.
I don't believe it was ever possible to make that kind of impression with the same generation that saw the originals. Just my opinion of course - and it's all congecture so I could very well be wrong. But in all earnest as much as I loved the originals I didn't go to watch the prequels thinking I would feel the same way I did the first time around....
But that's just my take on it. Perhaps I'm more cynical than I realise and fair play to you for holding onto that ideal Zeek. I don't mean to contradict by the way.
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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
For us who grew up since having watched the originals yes I think it is far fetched.
I think Cyber was correct here:
"What it boils down to is this: Lucas had the capability (and God knows, the budget) to deliver the best possible product. He deliberately chose not to."
Who wrote the screenplays for Empire & Raiders?
(Kasdan)
How hard is it to hire super-talented peeps?
The laughing Chrisisall
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Yes but Lucas goes for box office and as Storymark pointed out Empire did not make as big an impact. Given he wrote Star Wars he probably felt he had it in him to do it again. Plus y'know these things are really his babies. Stands to reason he'd want to complete them. If I recall correctly, didn't he hand over Empire Strikes Back to Irvin Kirshner because he [Lucas] was too busy developing ILM and his Lucas Arts production company and was too exhausted to endure the production of Empire Strikes Back?
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Quote:LOL, not at all. He said directing was too much of a "chore" & that he never wanted to do it again, just control the productions peripherally & supervise the FX quality. He was reportedly pissed that Ford made up the response to Fisher "I know" in Empire, but Kirshner stood by it, so it stayed.
Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
If I recall correctly, didn't he hand over Empire Strikes Back to Irvin Kirshner because he [Lucas] was too busy developing ILM and his Lucas Arts production company and was too exhausted to endure the production of Empire Strikes Back?
The laughing Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Zeek:Quote:
Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
But if y'all watch them expecting your lives to change, well you're in for some hurt, and frankly you shouldn't be looking toward a film by Lucas for that anyway!
Why is that? I don't think it's out of line to say he changed the world with Star Wars. I bet there are plenty of people who's entire lives were changed by the originals. I don't even know if I would have become an enginerd if it weren't for star wars.
Is it that far fetched to think that he could change the world again? Obviously after the fact it's plain to see he didn't, but going in there was no way to know what he had in store for us.
Yeah - it's a pretty unfair expectation. Very few people ever change the world. Even fewer do it more than once. Especially once they're (sorry older guys) past their prime as opposed to at their peak, and the head of a massively profitable company living a life of luxury as opposed to a hungry (literally and metaphorically) young artist trying to establish himself.
You are also comparing a man who approached the medium in a way no one had really done before, to one who was faced with revisting a style that (because of him) had become the standard in many ways.
The differences in context are huge. So, yeah, it probably was unreasonable to expect him to capture lightning in a bottle again.
Don't get me wrong - there are big problems with the prequels, and I don't think they equal the originals for the most part (I consider Sith and Jedi to be pretty close). I flat out hate most of TPM. I could go on and on about what could have/should have been changed - because, like everyone else, I imagined my own perfect prequels. But the prequels are still better and more imaginative than 90% of the big F/X driven blockbusters out there, but many people let their own, impossible to fulfill expectations, ruin their enjoyment of the things the movies did do well.
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