Viewed Watchmen again, on DVD
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Tuesday, May 4, 2010 23:06
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I think at one point, after his breakdown to Moloch, he said that he's the Comedian because the joke's on him. Yeah, I could see stupid evil too. He's a nihilist, so you wonder is he internally cares about good or evil, but he's definitely complicit with evil acts.
I think the nihilism thing is why Dr. Manhattan comes to believe he and The Comedian are fundamentally the same.
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if anything I was surprised it was "just that once" and remember also this, people LIE - I have my doubts about THAT little tidbit being true, cause I know people, I know how they are, and she was fronting that story to someone calling her on her behavior ?
This is what I think too. At the very least, the crying over the photograph thing suggests she STILL has feelings for the Comedian, if not that she had them all along, even DURING and before the rape thing. Before Eddie tries to rape her, their banter, well... Silk Spectre WAS being a tease, in a way that suggests maybe they'd done stuff already. I even thought I picked up suggestions that this wasn't the first time for attempting rape.
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PR: Hmm, maybe. I'd forgotten that we actually do see the reconciliation.
But it's so murky, I think either interpretation could be correct, and though the "victims secretly want rape!" interpretation is repellent, it's troubling, for me, that the choice later to consent was even made.
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No more troubling, and no more sad, than a woman who dumps her counsellor and goes back to an abusive spouse though...
At some point, while you can still be sympathetic, you also have this "what an idiot" kind of view of it too, and I think that's what Moore was kind of aiming for, rather than the conventional interpretation.
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Originally posted by Storymark:
And I still contend that saying the intent was to make him the villain - especially when the sole context of the discussion is the film, then you had a very strage reading of the film.
Wow. Ya did it again. I never said that. And
even after you've been shown that, twice, you continue to lay it back at my feet.
Curious.
Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."
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Quote:That was SO uncomfortable for me in the flick.
Originally posted by Bytemite:
though the "victims secretly want rape!" interpretation is repellent, it's troubling, for me, that the choice later to consent was even made.
But then, movies that make me squirm somewhat (see: Wash in Serenity) seem to make a big impact on me.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:That was SO uncomfortable for me in the flick.
Originally posted by Bytemite:
though the "victims secretly want rape!" interpretation is repellent, it's troubling, for me, that the choice later to consent was even made.
But then, movies that make me squirm somewhat (see: Wash in Serenity) seem to make a big impact on me.
The laughing Chrisisall
Who are y'all kiddin' ? She wanted it.
Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
it's troubling, for me, that the choice later to consent was even made.
Likewise. I think it's totally twisted. But consent is one of my number one concerns. One might even say that it's the concern, when it comes to questions of sexual crime. If there is a "Yes" there is no crime, however ill-conceived that "Yes" might be.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
No more troubling, and no more sad, than a woman who dumps her counsellor and goes back to an abusive spouse though...
Deeply troubling.
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At some point, while you can still be sympathetic, you also have this "what an idiot" kind of view of it too
Unfortunately. I never stop wondering what goes through those people's heads. I've asked a few of them, and the explanations are always illogical, inexplicable, idiotic and even lame. I feel so bad for them, and at the same time wish there was a way to get some sense through their skulls.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
That was SO uncomfortable for me...
Likewise. I have trouble watching scenes like that. Usually, if I know there's any such scene in a movie, I won't watch it. Watchmen was a rare exception to that.
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