Betrayal in "Ariel"

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UPDATED: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 18:54
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Sunday, November 17, 2002 2:40 AM

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Originally posted by LivingImpaired:
River did not attack Jayne. She attacked the "Blue Sun" logo on his shirt. It's the same reason she ripped off the labels on the cans in "Shindig."

I'm in awe of people like you who pick this stuff up. You may already know, but Jose Molina posted on Television Without Pity today confirming this, and he seemed quite pleased with the fans who notice things like that.

http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/ijsbb/forum.cgi?a=list&f=506&d=20
&t=1978807&n=303,20#n

Warrick: You didn't have to wound that man.
Mal: Yeah, I know. It was just funny.

SENSOU

Monday, November 18, 2002 5:16 AM

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Originally posted by ilovejayne:

And how ironic is it that Simon thinks he was helping? Hero of Canton, Hero of Simon. Where does it end?

I think Simon knew, and he is just a sadistic li'l bastard. Not to say Jayne didn't derseve it!
What I'd like to do to Jayne -->

Sensou
Sweet is love when all is sane
Sweet is death to end the pain
Cruel is death when all is well
Cruel is love when all is hell

LIVINGIMPAIRED

Monday, November 18, 2002 2:38 PM

Ok, I was putting my contacts in this morning, when I had another thought. Thought I'd throw it out at you guys and see what you think.

OK, it has been suggested that the BHG are examples of the intended result of the expiraments on River. I personally consider this scenario likely.

Now it has been further suggested that Blue Sun was in cahoots with the government to do this. I have an alternate theory.

Perhaps River is attacking Blue Sun not because she is lashing out at her tormentors, but because she was programmed to. Maybe the government is out to get Blue Sun. If this is the case, then it is possible that at any moment, some little hidden, half-baked program could surface in River's mind, and she could run off and blow up a Blue Sun office building, or something.

Then again, maybe not.

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Still unhappy? Okey-doke. I've got two words that are going to take all the pain away: Miniature. Golf.

ERICBALL

Monday, November 18, 2002 7:36 PM

Part of me wanted Mal to dump Jayne out, altough I really enjoy having the character as part of the crew. Jayne had been a traitor.

The funny thing is, I don't think Jayne will try to shop River to the Feds again. I think he figured out that the Feds who stiffed him got stuffed themselves. Jayne was just glad to get out of there alive.

This is the third time we know about (Jaynestown & Out of Gas) where he's put himself first. It will be interesting to see I Jayne ever puts loyalty above loot (or life, for that matter).

BOBKNAPTOR

Monday, November 18, 2002 8:21 PM

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Originally posted by Gaheris:
Well....
Select to view spoiler:
Jayne betrays the Tam's because he is the classic merc and wants money. He "un-betrays" as was so eloquently put for two reasons... A. in my opinion, he realized what REALLY is wrong with River (feels every emotion, and can't block any out) B. The "gorram" feds didn't even pay him but had the brass nerve to arrest him as well for aiding and abetting the fugitives. If I was in Jayne's position I'd be mad too. Just like to say, I like Jayne's scuffle and I'm surprised at Simon's nerve.

That's all! I think Ariel was a great episode

Not sure why this is in spoiler text since the show has already aired... forgive me if I should have the following speculation in spoiler tags as well:

I think he "un-betrays" them for two reasons: 1) realizing he wasn't going to get money out of the Feds for turning them in, the only way to get paid for this job is to finish the one that the rest of the crew is working on... which means getting Simon & River back on the ship safe and sound. 2) he felt guilty because of Simon's assurances that he believed Jayne could have rescued them had the guards not been armed. That seemed to me the first moment when Jayne really started trying to save the Tams. As for the remorse at the end, I think that was again a product of Simon's gushing thanks at his bravery. I think that if Simon had not said so many glowing things about Jayne saving them both, Jayne never would have felt a second's guilt about the entire thing. Even when Mal has him trapped and is threatening to kill him, he says something along the lines of "ah, come on, it's not like I betrayed you."

Sidenote: I REALLY liked Simon in this episode. It was a real treat to watch him step up and save that patient that the idiot alliance doctor nearly killed, especially moments after he finishes telling River that these doctors are the best in the Core. Also loved him when he stood up to that guard who double crossed Jayne. His whole speech about "i know you won't kill us because people more important than you want us alive" was great. Nice to see a meeker/weaker character stand up and have a lot of backbone!

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Simon: For this to work, River and I will have to be dead.
Jayne: I'm startin to like this plan!

DELVO

Monday, November 18, 2002 8:57 PM

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if Simon had not said so many glowing things about Jayne

Now remember that he seemed so confuzzled at the end of "Jaynesville". It looks like he just doesn't know how to deal with it when others react positively to him.

BOBKNAPTOR

Monday, November 18, 2002 9:08 PM

Curse that blasted VCR trauma... I have still not seen Jaynestown!

Mattro: I sent emails and a couple postcards... what else can I do to bribe a tape out of you? Money? Chocolate? Knighthood in the Kingdom of Bob (this is title only, sorry, I have no lands to award, unless you count a small jar of sand a friend brought me back from a beach in Florida)?

Can I send you a tape and some bribey goodness and get the firefly season so far? Please-oh-Please??? I'll be your best friend.....

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She belongs in a bug house!

HJERMSTED

Monday, November 18, 2002 9:13 PM

Contact me at hjermsted@hotmail.com

mattro

KEF

Monday, November 18, 2002 9:17 PM

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Originally posted by LivingImpaired:
Perhaps River is attacking Blue Sun not because she is lashing out at her tormentors, but because she was programmed to. Maybe the government is out to get Blue Sun. If this is the case, then it is possible that at any moment, some little hidden, half-baked program could surface in River's mind, and she could run off and blow up a Blue Sun office building, or something.

A bit too 9/11 for my taste.

UFO

Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:54 PM

Well this episode was certainly better than any cattle drive episode, and right up there with "Out of Gas." I have hope for this show if then can leave the cow crap behind and put more Alliance plot elements in. The underlying plot is River and what the Alliance is up to. Give us more of that please! And move the show from Friday night. I'll never watch a Friday show live, and you want me to watch the commercials instead of fast forwarding throught them....right? ;-)

When Jayne gets off the video phone setting up the betrayal, I turn to my wife and say "I love Jayne." She replies "He's an asshole." LMAO!! A little bit of both in that character.

Bottom line...I'm still watching.

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