Brilliant movies that go south toward the end.

POSTED BY: OPPYH
UPDATED: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:19
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OPPYH

Monday, March 29, 2010 6:18 PM

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Originally posted by BigRichard:

But too many times I was irritated by camera/editing/script decisions and overall character directions, and this, coupled with the final act, led to me pretty much hating the time I spent watching this film.

What were your thoughts on these things?
(Often in 'film circles' my thoughts regarding the film (and it's film maker, Von Trier, in general) have been met with very hostile remarks, often becoming very personal. eg. "If you didn't like it, it's because you're a stupid fool who didn't understand it or what good cinema is!" and yes, someone actually said that to me.)

There is a fine line between art, and cinema. Kubrick had a way of meshing them perfectly(2001).
Antichrist to me was fascinating the entire way through the third act. Like I said, I thought it was very suspenseful, and atmospheric. However, the fourth act was completely pointless and all credibility for the first 3rd of the movie was lost because of it.

I often find myself in the trap of 'how I would have made the film'. Well I pushed that to the limit on this one and came up with a better ending on my own:

The son who died was the Antichrist, and in the seclusion of their cabin the parents notice strange occurrences that eventually lead to the end of the world amidst the battle of Angels and demons.
To me that would be sensible and intriguing, and not just another torture porn movie to forget.

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OPPYH

Monday, March 29, 2010 6:26 PM

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Originally posted by BigRichard:

Elephant Man and Eraserhead I'm particularly interested in seeing, I might have to try The Straight Story as well, and Dune sounds like my cup of tea.

Any other particular movie suggestions?

Oddly enough My favorite Lynch movie is the Straight Story.

My ideas of movie perfection are:

Housekeeping(1988)

Paris, Texas(1984)

Afterlife(Japanese film 1998)

Conrack(1971)

Close Encounters of the Third Kind(1978)

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CHRISISALL

Monday, March 29, 2010 6:27 PM

Final Cut was BRILLIANT

...until they went for a bang-up ending. Press STOP 10 minutes before the credits, and you have a great movie.

The laughing Chrisisall

"I only do it to to remind you that I'm right and that deep down, you know I'm right, you want me to be right, you need me to be right." - The Imperial Hero Strikes Back, 2010

THESOMNAMBULIST

Monday, March 29, 2010 7:55 PM

Originally posted by BigRichard:

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One last semester, my scriptwriting teacher, started a class with "If I had to teach scriptwriting with only two films, that would be awful. But they'd probably be Toy Story and Fargo." He continued to talk about why, mentioning the writers of each. Of Toy Story, he mentioned "and Joss Whedon, famous for Buffy, which you will have heard of, and the criminally underrated Firefly series." I actually grinned massively at this, to which he laughed and said "and apparently there's at least one browncoat in the room."

N I C E !!!!!!

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Any other particular movie suggestions?

Pheeeuw! Well there's a question. I'd need to know you're cinema history really but lets just see.

City of the Lost Children.
Angels with Dirty Faces
Maltese Falcon
Casablanca - Actually any Bogart!
Murder My Sweet
The Third Man
A Touch Of Evil
Kiss me Deadly
Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956 version)
Jean De Florette and Manon De Source
White Heat
The Marx Brother - These guys crack me up. Night at the Opera, Day at the Races, A Night in Casablanca.
Cyrano De Bergerac.
L'apartment
The Apartment (Billy Wilder one)
Americana
Guns of Navarone
12 Angry Men
Wages of Fear (50's Version)
Lavender Hill Mob
Passport to Pimlico
A Matter of Life and Death.
Duel (technically a TV movie - but a fine piece nonetheless and the blue print for things like Jaws and Alien!) Worth a look!
Oh and pretty much any Hitchcock but my pick would be:
North By Northwest
Vertigo
Rear Window
Dial M For Murder

I had better stop really.

BIGRICHARD

Monday, March 29, 2010 10:55 PM

OPPYH, definitely agree with that. Honestly, I didn't quite get into it at all, but I definitely was more intrigued by the start. I had a hard time believing the characters (not because of the acting, which was great, but the poor script and characterization), and it would often annoy me in scenes where something interesting would happen, and it would sort of just stay long enough to show you what was going on, then cut away from the characters, which removed any kind of emotion or connection for me. Mainly I just thought it looked nice, and atmospheric. The opening scene which everyone raves about, I thought, was fairly ordinary. The kid jumping out the window was ruined by the extra shot of him spinning around before he hit the ground.

Will have to check out Afterlife and Conrack. The others are great films, but I haven't seen those two.

CiA, I can't remember it exactly, but I still did like Final Cut. Robin Williams is brilliant.

Som, I've seen quite a few of them, but others shall go on 'The List'. Which at this point seems like a neverending wall of text. Thanks for the suggestions though!

KRELLEK

Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:19 PM

When I as an example watch dawn of dead(from was it 2005 or 2003 cannot remember) and in fact it seems to be a repeating part of Zombie movies in general,(they came to an island where they hoped they could be safe, and then they are getting overun by Zombies, and no mention if they survive, and in other words it seems very bleak for mankind

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