FIREFLY SEASON 2
POSTED BY: SILVERSRFR
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 04:44
VIEWED: 12983
PAGE 4 of 5
Quote:
Originally posted by SILVERSRFR:
I appreciate the comments of encouragement and I acknowledge and respect the opinions of the "ole" Browncoats. I want to, yearn to, to be closer to all of you. I am, as always, open to any and all comments.
This type of talk really irks me. You respect opinions and are open to comments huh? Then how come you've ignored everyone's opinion that doesn't agree with yours?
You sure sound polite. Your actions speak much louder though.
Personally I'd rather not have you "represent" the fandom. That's my comment. I hope you're open to it and respect it.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
...There's the rub. Joss is no longer campaigning. He's willing to do more, but isn't actively seeking it. Also, the fan base is weak and inactive today.
...Ten percent of nothing is -- let me do the math here -- nothing into nothing, carry the nothing -- still nothing.
We are nothing without someone who actually carries weight "on the inside." Don't let your want for more steer you away from that.
Quite the oddity , then , that Joss himself says , on the Video intro for Can't Stop The Serenity , that it was Folk
who " believed unreasonably " that got the film made...
Seems that your Math skills are seriously flawed , too...
Might be best not to emulate Jayne in your cackle-atin' !
Although he was right , you're still...Not .
" Can't " never could DO a thing...Just sayin'...
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I am a new Firefly Fan. The TV series just appeared in New Zealand on DVD. I love it, Its the best TV series I have ever seen. I bought the move first but then found out it had been a TV series. It has to be brought back. I cannot understand how it got cancelled. Fox must have done a shit job prommoting the series. My husband thinks its great too. I think the more people who see Firefly the more force can be applied to get it back.
Squeekie
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Zeek, I am open to your opinion. I respect you as a person and as a Firefly fan. However, I respectfully disagree. I'll keep pluggin' along with or without your help. Preferably with. Take care all. I'll keep writing. I'll post here from time to time. Take the posts as you will. I might not be doing something smart but I believe I'm doing something right.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
SigmaNunki, sounds like an insult to me. I didn't know we were going there. Me and a few other Browncoats put this letter together. There was time and a few emotions involved. When I started posting here I didn't know what to expect. I opened up to you as well as the rest of the forum out of respect and love for the Firefly family. I apologize if I stepped on your toes somehow, however, I would like some constructive criticism from you. Otherwise, I'll leave you alone in peace.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Squeekie, welcome to the site and to the Firefly family. If you read a bit, you'll find that your feelings toward the show and it's resurrection were shared and still are shared by most of the members of this site. Welcome to the fight.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
SilverSrfr
Referring to Sig and others, what I think you fail to comprehend is that people have been at this since the moment they realized the next episode wasn't coming. That's over 7 years of people trying to stir up different efforts to get people to "help bring back the show." and the head of steam they were able to maintain culminated in Joss seeing the fight for the BDM was worth it. After which a cooling period set in. Partially with the realization that even with the 3 year gap and a full steam fandom, the community was not able to gather a big enough following to make the BDM a booming success.
Folks have been holding the banner of "I want more Firefly" for over 7 years, some taking up efforts with ads, fan art, mailings, and later showings of Serenity. Now, you show up, and your first communication is, "Hey guys! You know what I think? We should be fighting for more Firefly." Can you see that despite all the backpedaling and "respecting" you've done why people might not be in a hurry to jump up and yell "WE"RE WITH YOU" and that when you begin to prod them as being "lazy" or "poor" fans for it, you're going catch hell for it.
Most of these folks are not being negative, they are being realistic. Hollywood producers are people you are correct in that notion. They are however, money-operated, calculating people. Who do very simple math to see if something is worth the time and money. Unless, you get lucky, and a producer takes a personal fan-type interest in the concept. Which is part of what happened at Universal making Serenity possible, on top of Joss's unrelenting push.
To seek new material, and to support the production of new material by purchasing what material does come out (merch and comics), And also by sharing with our friends, loved-ones, and anyone who will listen, that sends a stronger message then any letter that will be dumped in the shredder by a secretary at Fox/Universal headquarters.
I don't pretend to speak for the long-time site goers. As I'm fairly new to this website, though been a browncoat for much longer. Only to share a sentiment that, a fight was made to continue the story. It culminated in the BDM which gave us resolution. Don't play that down by greedily yelling "MORE" show some contentedness with what was achieved.
"...we need a hood ornament..."
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
reenact12321:
Hello,
I'm not failing to realize anything. I totally understand that I am a new browncoat, my passion is relatively new, most of these ideas have happened and been acted on before, and that my frustration has not yet had time to evolve for 5-7 years. Also, everything and everyone has cooled down, most of the effort is in the monetary realm, and I'm an idiot.
Browncoat condescension is definitely being felt here.
I am here because, to me, there is no more time. Even though the monetary efforts are an excellent idea, they are not working fast enough. Nathan is getting chubby (watch recent episodes of Castle). Joss and the rest of the crew are getting involved in other projects (i.e. moving on). Also, everyone involved is getting older. We have to move and move fast if there is even an infinitesimal chance of getting results. I understand realism. Let me repeat, I understand realism. There is also one more thing I understand, without effort there is no reward. I will not stand idly by and watch Firefly/Serenity fade into the sunset. As a Browncoat (which I am very proud to call myself), I must act and act quickly.
Any other ideas are welcome. Bring them on. Stop the f%$^ing criticism and hand out some enthusiastic (now there's a bad word), imaginative ideas. I don't pretend to know what's best for this community but I feel there is a immediate need for action.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Again I have to repeat that I, as a longtime fan of Firefly/Serenity, resent you telling me what to do or that what I have done in the past wasn't good enough. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but you need to be preaching to another choir.
Until the deadlock on franchise rights is broken between FOX and Universal there is not much we can do except to continue doing what we've been doing, spreading the good word about our show and gaining new fans. I am fairly certain there are many in the industry who share our love for Firefly, and many who know the cancellation of the show was a bad idea. But until that deadlock is broken there isn't much they can do either.
Everything you are proposing has been done over and over by many fans. Keep writing letters yourself, turning others on to the show, and like Mal says, "You hold."
wo men ren ran zai fei xing.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
SilverSrfr you're obviously not getting the message. Let me put it in other terms and see if it helps. Think of it like a person who just got interested in architecture. They're really enthusiastic about designing a building so they start drawing their idea. Nothing is to scale. They aren't using the tried and tested tools of the trade. They present their drawings to architects who have been at it for years and are criticized because what they're doing is not going to achieve any results. Then you're turning around and telling them that you know better and that they should follow your example.
Do you see the issue now?
A ton of us have sent letters in the past. Letter 158,954 isn't going to have any more impact than letter 158,953. It probably isn't even going to be read.
What does get read? The sales figures of the dvds. That's why it was recommended you focus on buying things or bringing in new fans who will buy things themselves.
You've said before that you've done research. I'm not sure what research you've done but it's either incomplete or you're interpreting it incorrectly. From what I've heard letter writing had little to do with Serenity being made. It had much more to do with Joss's efforts and Mary Parent's (a Universal exec at the time).
If anything Serenity is a big black mark on our record. We showed just how badly quantity of fans wins over quality of fans at the box office. We showed that tickets will sell very quickly with rabid fans but they won't sell many. The prescreenings sold out in minutes. The issue is that there were only very limited theaters. So, if they're looking to sell out 30 theaters across the country then the browncoats can help them out no problem. That's not hollywood's goal though.
You may not like the criticism, but if you listen it can save you some time and effort.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME