What's the beef with Kevin Costner flicks?
POSTED BY: jewelstaitefan
UPDATED: Saturday, April 3, 2010 06:59
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OK, so I've heard numerous snipes around here about his flicks, without much elaboration.
I'll agree to continue not to like Big Chill and No Way Out, but what are some valid reasons some people don't like his greater works? Specific reasons, please.
Some Discussion Targets:
Dances With Wolves
Field of Dreams
JFK
Waterworld
The Postman
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Oooh, the long-awaited Kevin Costner thread!
Big Chill ( he's the dead guy, right?).....loved it
No Way Out.....loved it
Dances With Wolves.....loved it
JFK....loved it
Waterworld ...liked it
Postman....never saw it
Untouchables.....loved it
Tin Cup....loved it
Wyatt Earp......loved it
The Bodyguard......liked it
Bull Durham......liked it
For Love Of The Game.....loved it
Robin Hood.....liked it
Never really thought about it before, but obviously I'm a fan.
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Best thing he ever did is:
FANDANGO
Made that with his friend and director Kevin Reynolds - who Costner saddly disassociated himself with over Waterworld (which is more fun than people let on) and which - when you think about the logistics - Reynolds actually did a very good job over. Saddly he was locked out of the editing room by the studio and his 'friend' Costner and therefore Reynolds was unable to see his vision realised. He's never quite recovered from that.
Hollywood eh!
Dances with Wolves was good at the time... Not seen it since though, it feels like one of those films that may have dated a whole lot....
JFK - Hampered by it's ideology. Typical Oliver Stone.
Field of Dreams - Much ado about nothing, but it's a heartwarming story I guess. Plus Burt Lancaster gives a touching performance.
The Postman - not seen.
The Bodyguard - Give me a break.
And there's some film he did with Jennifer Aniston which somehow I got roped into seeing with my girlfriend and that film is TERRIBLE!!!!! (Can't recall the name of it)
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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
The Postman - not seen.
Waterworld was the worst... absolutely puke-able.
Actually, I guess I'm a fan too.
Just never saw Wyatt Earp. After Tombstone, I just didn't see the point.
The laughing Chrisisall
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In my opinion:
Field Of Dreams - One of my fave films ever.
Fandango - Excellently funny film.
Dances With Wolves - Epic.
Bull Durham - One of the few baseball movies I really like.
JFK - Great cast, great story, intelligently done.
Untouchables - The only thing wrong with this movie is Connerys accent. I can get by that.
The mid range ones:
Tin Cup - Likeable enough.
The low end of the scale:
Wyatt Earp - Boring
Waterworld - I was seasick before I saw water.
The Postman - Tries to be something it isn't.
The Bodyguard - Blurgh. Only became a hit because of that bloody song.
And I'm biased because of my family history with the real Sheriffs Of Nottingham but Robin Hood was a travesty that is only worth watching to see Alan Rickman act everybody off the screen. Even Morgan Freeman was only okay. The rest of them deserved a hanging....
I've not seen any of his recent stuff.
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Why has no one mentioned Silverado? I like that film. It was one that Kasdan promised Costner since his flashback scenes in The Big Chill were cut.
Of the others listed:
Big Chill-doesn't really count
Fandango-very good, enjoyable film
Field of Dreams-loved it, still do
No Way Out-haven't seen it
Dances With Wolves-liked it, but probably won't see it again, but if I do it will be for Mary McDonnell and Graham Greene
JFK-liked it
Waterworld-never finished watching it
Postman-some great scenes, but overall a yawn
Untouchables-did not like
Tin Cup-never saw it
Wyatt Earp-loved it. I'm sure I'm in the minority, but it makes Tombstone pale in comparison.
The Bodyguard-never saw it
Bull Durham-great, but mainly for Sarandon and Robbins
For Love Of The Game-never saw it
Robin Hood-refused to see it. Errol Flynn is the only Robin Hood I need.
And here's a few others not yet mentioned, all of which I liked:
Mr. Brooks
Open Range
Dragonfly
Thirteen Days
I suppose I'm a semi-fan, depends on the film, the director, and his co-stars.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Waterworld was the worst... absolutely puke-able.
The laughing Chrisisall
Please read the OP and provide specific valid reasons for your claim.
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Originally posted by lwaves:
In my opinion:
Waterworld - I was seasick before I saw water.
Are you trying to say you dislike water so you went to see a movie named Waterworld and this is the sole reason you dislike it, or the Charleton Heston narrative turned you off, or do you have something more substantive to report?
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The Postman - Tries to be something it isn't.
So what do you think it was, and what do you think it tried to be, and how do you think it fell short?
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The Bodyguard - Blurgh. Only became a hit because of that bloody song.
Are you referring to the 2 decade old Dolly Parton classic?
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Originally posted by ecgordon:
No Way Out-haven't seen it
Gene Hackman in another of his mean-bastard-who-kills-his-mistress-and-covers-it-up roles. Also has an early role for Will Patton, who later teams up in Postman.
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Robin Hood-refused to see it. Errol Flynn is the only Robin Hood I need.
So you won't watch the Russell Crowe/Ridley Scott version?
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And here's a few others not yet mentioned, all of which I liked:
Mr. Brooks
Open Range
I agree with these, but it seems that most who disparage his works have not bothered to see these.
His co-stars I've enjoyed: Mary McDonnell, Granham Greene, Rodney Grant, Maury Chaykin, Larenz Tate, Will Patton, Giovanin Ribisi, Sean Young, Olivia Williams, Rene Russo, Dennis Hopper, Michael Jeter, Joe Santo, James Russo, Scott Glenn, Kevin Bacon, Joe Pesci, Robert Duvall, Gary Oldman, George Dzundza, Fred Thompson, Dennis Burkley, Marshall Bell, Joanna Going, Bill Pullman, James Earl Jones, Charles Martin Smith, Robert DeNiro, Gaby Hoffman, Dwier Brown, Madeline Stowe, Robert Pastorelli, Alan Rickman, Michael Wincott, Jennifer Aniston, Christopher McDonald, Danielle Panabaker, Kevin pollack, Jon Lovitz, Courtney Cox, Kurt Russell, Vincent D'Onofrio, Wayne Knight, Michael Rooker, Laurie Metcalf, Walter matthau, Tommy Lee Jones, Dale Dye, Donald Sutherland, Bob Gunton, Clint Eastwood, Laura Dern, Bruce McGill, Jack Black, Tom Petty, Mary Stuart Masterson, Daniel Von Bargen, Kelly Preston, Brian Cox, Clancy Brown, to name a few.
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Favorite Costner flicks
A Perfect World- Strange premise and improbable situation, but the bonds of fatherless children really shine between Butch and Buzz.
3000 Miles To Graceland- More improbability, but it just looked like a damn fun movie to make. And Murphy is the bad guy I'd have fun playing.
Open Range-Charley Waites relationship with the other characters seems shallow and awkward... and real. The lack of posturing and delay in his performance amped the characters true nature and force of violence ten fold.
Mr. Brooks- Sometimes the bad guys alter ego isn't too far from his true self. Not the best movie, but I strangely enjoyed myself watching it.
Also, I was a bit emotional watching The War. I used it as an occasional teaching interaction about the perceptions and treatment of people we think we know.
Costner seems a bit dry and two dimensional but adds something when not trying to be a good guy. LT. Dunbar from Dances With Wolves was sort of an exception as it played well with the period and the people.
After studying people and knowing some who don't say a lot but still project their experience, I have to say that Kevin Costner does a great job at playing "just some guy". Not an easy thing for most people to do, even in the real world sometime.
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