FIREFLY SEASON 2
POSTED BY: SILVERSRFR
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 04:44
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Originally posted by out2theblack:
Just don't whinge about it while the rest of us entertain hope and apply ourselves to a more abundant Firefly Future...
If no one posts about their hope then I'll never post about my pessimism.
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Hey there newcomer! Feel free to look around, we do have some stuff to tide you over, fanfics, even announcements for new comic books. Have you seen the existing comic books? Do you like comic books? I think they're nifty! If you don't have them yet and get them, try reading everything in the right voices. Ah. It's not live action but it's something.
And I honestly do think come 2012 when Fox no longer has the rights anymore that we might see something. Maybe not with the same actors, or maybe as a cartoon, but something.
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It also doesn't mean I can't enjoy other things that have come along since Firefly.
Firefly reached something inside of me that ruined everything else for me. I will never enjoy anything as much as I enjoyed Firefly. Firefly was the only thing I'd watched in years, being that I dislike television and movies and I think they're a waste. It just grabbed me, right away, and NOTHING does that. I get told, you should watch this show! And nothing. Only Firefly.
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Originally posted by SILVERSRFR:
SIGMANUNKI: About the financial sense of things; I watched and re-watched "Done the Impossible" and they talked about that quite a bit of profit was made off of the advertisements (during the series) and the DVD sales after the series and the movie. If they were incorrect on their data, set me staight. Also, the fact that there are literally hundreds of thousands of active fans on sites right now leads me to believe that they have a strong enough fan base to start anew (most of my data is from Facebook fansites).
The numbers you quoted (without citation) are not enough. Furthermore, even if true, just because fans exist, does not mean that they are willing to spend money. You're also using financial data from when the fan base was alive, growing and not during a recession.
It should also be pointed out that the movie barely scrapped by into the black. That even though the fans (including myself) went around and did massive amounts of advertising for Universal (that they didn't have to pay for).
FOX was actually the one that did the series. That one made a hefty chunk of change on DVD sales. They were also the ones that gave a green light on a MMOG that go killed when FOX's and Universal's lawyers started bitching over there respective cuts.
So, what we actually have is Universal, which wouldn't be willing to take another chance on the franchise given that they almost got burned the first time and FOX which isn't really willing to do anything TV/Movie with it. There's also the fact that the lawyers will kill anything because god forbid the other guy would make a profit when the other one isn't.
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Originally posted by SILVERSRFR:
We have to change tactics
In this you are right. But, you're going about it in a very very wrong way. What you're doing is "We've done the impossible before, we can do it again." To be frank, that's delusional.
What is needed is for US to create the content instead of bitching at others to make it for us. So, instead of trying to get hundreds of thousands of Browncoats organized enough to matter, get a small group of Browncoats together and make a short film. Or something else. Hell, these guys have been at it (a game) for a years:
http://s4.invisionfree.com/GunRunner/index.php?act=idx
And are still plugging away (nearing completion I believe). Or a browser based alternative that has been announced:
http://revolutionfirefly.webs.com/
Those are real tangible goals. Goals that, depending on scope, can be achieved.
But, no-one wants to do small things, right? Because if it isn't something grand and mind boggling, it isn't doing the impossible. And therein lies this fandom's fatal flaw.
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"We don't fear the reaper"
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Originally posted by out2theblack:Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
I think it's time to just be happy with what we got.
That strategy NEVER has changed a thing , nor has it ever gotten Folk what they needed...
If that's what works for some of you , Fine...
You know the sayings...
" We all got on this boat for different reasons...
...It's the Love that Keeps 'Er In The Air..."
Newish Folk are Welcome to bring all the enthusiasm they can find , and spread the Glow of Firefly Love
throughout the known 'Verse...
Is it just me, or does this make it sound like we're trying to start a new religion?
Just sayin'.
"We need to keep our heads so we can ... keep our heads."
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Originally posted by SAVEWASH:
Is it just me, or does this make it sound like we're trying to start a new religion?
Just sayin'.
No , of course it's not just you...
Why do so many seem to think it's all about just them ?
It ain't about you , Jayne...It's about what
they need...
By the way , Brother , do you have any recent stories to tell about 'conversions' that you have accomplished ?
You don't fix faith...It fixes you .
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Alright, everyone. First off, let me say that I am happy and humbled by the responses to this thread. Also, I have gone ahead and mailed two Fox executives, two Universal executives, and Joss and encouraged several other fans to do so. The reason I mailed Joss was to keep him aware of our efforts. I intend to mail letters to the rest of the original cast as well. Not to harass or to influence but to just thank them for creating such meaningful art.
Secondly, I have done some research, I am a fan, and I believe that everyone's voice can be heard. Now, I am not so naive to think that I could come onto an established website and not get some ribbing as the new guy but, honestly, there is a lot of negativity here. I might not know, personally, every Browncoat of stature that exists or what they have been through but I have an awesome respect for them and their efforts. Me and my efforts have been treated with disrespect...to say the least. Really, guys and gals, what harm would a little effort, being made in the realm of letter writing, cause? I came here for help and encouragement and have received little of either. I'm a little disturbed but I'm not angry by the responses. I have a job and I have a life but I don't believe that this is or ever will be a waste of time.
Growing up, there is one thing that I was always taught, fight for what you believe in! We Browncoats, I have always thought, live by that credo. One of the most fascinating series in the history of television is Firefly. Firefly touched us all in different ways but I do believe that we have common ground. We are all fighters. We know we found something that we love and we don't want that sense of family to end. No thing worth fighting for is a wasted effort. I'm there.
Please, please don't be disgruntled. I can sympathize with the feelings tied to efforts that have been overlooked or forgotten. I know you folks have spent days, months, and years trying to sway the powers that be into another season or movie, watching our one season over and over again, sending letters, attending conferences, and buying merchandise...only to see the director, cast, and crew move on to other ventures. I know you have pushed yourselves, sometimes to extremes, sometimes to exhaustion. I know you haven't given up nor want to. I do not give up easily and will not on this project.
I have sent several emails, posts, and letters to involved people. I will continue to write to Fox and Universal until I get a response. I will give that up if and only if Joss says there is no chance in hell that Firefly will come back or that Serenity will have sequel. In that case, the king has spoken. I will bow and exit the stage.
I appreciate the comments of encouragement and I acknowledge and respect the opinions of the "ole" Browncoats. I want to, yearn to, to be closer to all of you. I am, as always, open to any and all comments.
Mike
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"In this you are right. But, you're going about it in a very very wrong way. What you're doing is "We've done the impossible before, we can do it again." To be frank, that's delusional."
Hello, SigmaNunki,
This caught my eye. I think that your response was well thought out and that you put some effort into it. I appreciate that. However, I must disagree. I don't think that it's delusional to think that any effort, no matter how small, can't make a difference. I agree that money moves the Hollywood machines but I don't believe that the heads of these major studios are robots and not human.
I'm willing to bet that during the height of the "Bring Firefly Back" campaign in 2003-2004, that thousands of letters were composed and that only a few were opened and read. Those few, along with other efforts, may have made the bit of difference that changed the course of "verse" history (i.e. Serenity). I am hopeful and I am optimistic that our letters will get though to someone and make a difference in this campaign.
On changing tactics, "Fast is better than slow". I am not privy to Hollywood business so I don't know the correct method to getting things done in Hollywood. Also, I have never been intrigued by a television series so much as to start a letter writing campaign, until now. Unfortunately, I'm realizing that we still live in an elitist world and that my voice (by itself) doesn't mean a whole lot. However, no effort in this "verse" goes unnoticed.
I think that your way is promising and can be frustrating (since not all believe as you do). I'm doing what I can and will consider other methods. Give me a little time and I'll catch up to those still involved in the fight and I'll help where I can. Anyway, thanks again for your post.
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Here is a draft of the letter sent if anyone is interested. I know it has some flaws. Give me a break, We've never written one of these before:
Subject: Business Proposal
Dear ______,
First of all, I’d like to introduce myself. My name is _____ and I’m a ___ _______, by trade. I am a ____ ______ graduate and have served in the armed forces. However, I am a nobody in the entertainment business. I have never been truly interested in any form of entertainment until now and I consider myself to be an independent agent acting on the interests of millions of fans.
I represent an extensive group of citizens that would like to see an entertainment oversight corrected. This letter is being submitted to make it blatantly clear that a business opportunity of immense proportions has been overlooked and needs to be given immediate consideration. If it could be guaranteed that a television series would be one of the most popular/ successful shows in the history of television would you hesitate in producing it? I have such a show in mind and I have proof of its future and past success. This show has a very interesting history, a romance novel of sorts. The series is a David and Goliath, a Phoenix, and a Robin Hood all rolled into one. There are literally millions of people, worldwide, that are already in love with it, its cast, and its creator. The series was called Firefly.
The series, which originally aired in 2002, was prematurely canceled by Fox television studios. It was canceled after 11 episodes were aired. In a sense, it was killed before it could reach its full potential. The initial ratings just weren't there. It could have been the vague name, marketing, show time, the episodes being shown out of order, the then unknown and untested actors, or personal (executive) reasons. Who really knows? Basically, it wasn't given enough stage time for people to take notice. Over the months following the cancellation, the fans, writer/director, and cast/ crew rallied and made a movie based on the series. In the writer's words in was "unheard of" in Hollywood business up until then. Universal studios took up the colors at that point and a major (modestly budgeted) motion picture was produced. The movie was called Serenity. The movie was a cult hit and was well received by most who watched it. Also, the movie budget was well covered (mostly by DVD/ Bluray sales). My constituents and I believe that it would be a financial goldmine for any studio willing to faithfully produce/finance this project.
Some of the proof of success that exists includes: various (current) popular websites (fan-based and others) dedicated to the Firefly series (2002) and the Serenity movie (2005), scores of committed, loving, and very passionate fans, and a belief by those involved that they helped create and nurture something more than entertainment. An example of this proof is found on a Facebook Firefly fan site. This site has, at this time, more than 200,000 active members. Another site is called petitiononline.com where over 16,000 fans have signed their names in support of the Firefly television series. These fans call themselves Browncoats out of love and devotion for the series. These Browncoats are made up of every demographic group including: the young, the old, the rich, the poor, men, women, artists, scientists, lawyers, writers, etc. The fans feel, as I do, that this series did something that most television series are incapable of doing. That is, the series accomplished an on-stage harmony that is rarely seen on television today. This harmony came from the near-perfect interaction of the actors with one another, with the story line, and with the director.
What we propose is that your studio produce/ finance several more seasons of Firefly (or call it what you will) and court the original cast and writer aggressively. This is not only a sound business decision, but also, is a proper conclusion to a unique and romantic saga that is near and dear to the hearts of everyone involved. Please bring the writer/director, the ca
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@SILVERSRFR:
Um, it wasn't our letters that got the movie made. Nor what it any of our efforts (I was involved in many btw). It was a combination of pretty much *everyone* in the fan base being active in some form or another with, and this is the important part, Joss, etc campaigning.
There's the rub. Joss is no longer campaigning. He's willing to do more, but isn't actively seeking it. Also, the fan base is weak and inactive today. So, what we have is, well, let me quote a character that we both know and love:
Ten percent of nothing is -- let me do the math here -- nothing into nothing, carry the nothing -- still nothing.
We are nothing without someone who actually carries weight "on the inside." Don't let your want for more steer you away from that.
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I am on The Original List (twice). We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"
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That isn't a business proposal. It's an emotional plea.
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I am on The Original List (twice). We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"
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