Coach K., The Lakers and Serenity!? What does it all mean!???

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MUTANTFRIEND

Saturday, July 3, 2004 8:37 PM

Hi all. I've got to vent. Off topic, but hey... if we can get political on the boards - why can't we talk a little human drama? And nowhere does the human drama play out louder than in real life. Real life in Lakerville.

OK, so how many of you Browncoats out there are Laker fans? I call myself both of those things - even having suffered crushing defeats on both fronts in the last 24 months (The Lakers losing to SA in 03 and Detroit in 04 and Firefly being cancelled.)

Anyway, who here thinks Coach K. will take the job in LA? Man, I sure hope he does. What a great turn of events that could be. Kobe will stay. Shaq might have to stay. Malone will come back. Anyway, say your prayers if you are a Laker fan and hope we get our Serenity in Coach K.

PS. To all you Detroit Fan/Browncoats out there... no need to flame me or ridicule me. The Lakers losing to a harder-playing Detroit team was - inevitable. At that level, all that matters is desire. And the Pistons had it in spades. It's like Roy Jones getting knocked out. Is Antonio Tarver a better boxer than Roy Jones? No. Did he knock him out? Yes. Why. Desire. Hate. Anger. (And a lucky punch). Detroit, while not needing a "lucky punch," are the Laker's Tarver. A team that had enough rage and desire to squeeze maximum effort from themselves. In sports, maximum effort always wins. Always. They did a great job and kicked the Laker's asses for 5 games. Could any other team in the NBA have done that? No. But, like I've always said, everyone has someone that can beat them. Styles make a bball game, a fight, a tennis match, whatever..., and the Detroit style of basketball (under the great coaching of the genius LB) was unbeatable (at least unbeatable for the Lakers - and Nets and Pacers and...)

STATIC

Saturday, July 3, 2004 9:54 PM

I'm a Carolinian Browncoat and have been a die-hard fan of the NCSU Wolfpack all my life. Cried like a baby when Jimmy V. passed away and still get choked up when I hear the "Neva. . .eva give up" speech.

However, like all true Carolinan ACC fans, we recognize that when our OWN team of choice, be it Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest or Duke is not the one to represent our fair state in one manner or another, we automatically shift our support to our neighbors.

Having said that. . .I think it would be the height of shinyness to have Coach K don the mantle of "Head Coach" for the Lakers, and I think there would be no better man for the job. 'Cept of course if Jimmy V. were alive, may God have mercy on his sweet soul.

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"Wash. . .we got some local color happening. A grand entrance would not go amiss."

PICKLE

Saturday, July 3, 2004 10:42 PM

I'm an NC State student and I hope Coach K stays. He's a great person and he's built a dynasty at Duke, and as much as I yell and scream obscenities in his general direction for the forty minutes he's in the RBC center every year, I respect him.
If he leaves, it won't be easy for the Duke program to recover. I love ACC basketball, and I like that Duke is the "team to beat." I was at the game last year when they were ranked number one and we beat them; cheering my head off, rushing the court, hugging my friend while jumping up and down in complete elation, these are the kinds of things you remember when you leave college.
I want Duke to be unbeatable again next year, and I want to leave their players crying on the busride back to Durham again next year. Coach K is a part of the ACC, just as much as Jimmy V or Dean Smith, and if he were to leave it would be like losing a piece of tradition.
Now having said that, I don't think he'll go. Money is one thing, but college basketball in North Carolina is on a completely different level. Why would he leave a program that he's built, a school full of students that worship him, and an atmosphere unrivaled by any professional team in the country?...he won't.

p.s. I always get choked up when I hear that speech too. My favorite part is "If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day." There's just a lot of wisdom there.

STANDING8

Saturday, July 3, 2004 11:29 PM

i dont know if coach k will take the job, i have a feeling he might not take it but who knows? but even if he DOES take the job, as impressive that might be i dont think its enough to make shaq stay.(he might have to if no one can pony up a worthy amount of money or players to bring shaq over) shaq doesnt want to stay in LA because without phil there implementing the triangle, its will be an offense lead by kobe. and with the laker front office obviously showing their alliegence more towards kobe, shaq feels unwanted. phil was the only one able to keep both players egos in check. before phil lakers had 0 rings, with him they have 3. now that jacksons gone, shaq getting up there in age along with fox, fisher i dont think they have what it takes anymore. and even if malone DOES stay, hes now more prone to injury. the only positive thing that came from jacksons departure is the glove might get more points a game(no more triangle).

coah k is one of the greatest coaches in basketball history but i dont care how many ncaa championships youve won. cause theres only been ONE coach to ever win a ncaa championship as a coach and an nba championship as a coach and it happened THIS year with larry brown. so already coach k already has history against him.

detroit was younger and hungrier. younger and hungrier. younger and hungrier. i love shaq, kobe, malone, payton and jackson but the dynasty is over imo. but hell, 3-peating isnt so bad. the whole squad can retire and have complete nba careers. so im not stressin. and another good think is now if the sacramento queens beat the lakers it wont be the same team and that means NO REDEMPTION for them MWAHAHAHAHAHA! and that goes for every team as well.(minus the spurs when they beat em in 03 BUT, the lake show redeemed themselves by beating the 4 games in a row after going down 0-2)

now that tarver/jones fight. THAT HURT. but tarver was more hungrier he had something to prove. shout goes to roy jones my fav boxer,

look out for my clippers in 05! and look out for the heat with rafer alston killin people like a game street ball. and watch for the brooklyn nets!

-Soul Rebel-

STANDING8

Saturday, July 3, 2004 11:32 PM

double post, sorry.

MUTANTFRIEND

Saturday, July 3, 2004 11:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Pickle:
I love ACC basketball, and I like that Duke is the "team to beat." I was at the game last year when they were ranked number one and we beat them; cheering my head off, rushing the court, hugging my friend while jumping up and down in complete elation, these are the kinds of things you remember when you leave college.

You make some good points. This has got to be hard for any college hoops fan to stomach. I guess, for me, it's a question of economics. I say Mike takes the job. For the simple fact that he can make $40M in 5 years! Even with his perks and endorsements (the Nike thing) he couldn't make that in nearly 20 years at Duke! Plus, after everything he's accomplished, he's got to be yearning for more. Add to that, the sad sad state of NCAA Basketball (all the best players skipping out to the NBA) and you could make a pretty compelling case for Coach K. to LA. I guess we'll all find out soon enough. I feel for ya though. This has got to be as tough on you as it is on me. Indecision and uncertainty are the worst.

MUTANTFRIEND

Saturday, July 3, 2004 11:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by standing8:
i dont know if coach k will take the job, i have a feeling he might not take it but who knows? but even if he DOES take the job, as impressive that might be i dont think its enough to make shaq stay.(he might have to if no one can pony up a worthy amount of money or players to bring shaq over) shaq doesnt want to stay in LA because without phil there implementing the triangle, its will be an offense lead by kobe. and with the laker front office obviously showing their alliegence more towards kobe, shaq feels unwanted. phil was the only one able to keep both players egos in check. before phil lakers had 0 rings, with him they have 3. now that jacksons gone, shaq getting up there in age along with fox, fisher i dont think they have what it takes anymore. and even if malone DOES stay, hes now more prone to injury. the only positive thing that came from jacksons departure is the glove might get more points a game(no more triangle).

coah k is one of the greatest coaches in basketball history but i dont care how many ncaa championships youve won. cause theres only been ONE coach to ever win a ncaa championship as a coach and an nba championship as a coach and it happened THIS year with larry brown. so already coach k already has history against him.

detroit was younger and hungrier. younger and hungrier. younger and hungrier. i love shaq, kobe, malone, payton and jackson but the dynasty is over imo. but hell, 3-peating isnt so bad. the whole squad can retire and have complete nba careers. so im not stressin. and another good think is now if the sacramento queens beat the lakers it wont be the same team and that means NO REDEMPTION for them MWAHAHAHAHAHA! and that goes for every team as well.(minus the spurs when they beat em in 03 BUT, the lake show redeemed themselves by beating the 4 games in a row after going down 0-2)

now that tarver/jones fight. THAT HURT. but tarver was more hungrier he had something to prove. shout goes to roy jones my fav boxer,

look out for my clippers in 05! and look out for the heat with rafer alston killin people like a game street ball. and watch for the brooklyn nets!

-Soul Rebel-

A basketball and boxing fan - ah, the best kinda browncoat! You make some great points as well. I agree that the old school Lakers Dynasty is dead - but I feel a new dynasty may be on the horizon. Yes, Shaq will probably go - if like you said, anyone can afford him. My guess is that Shaq will be forced to play for LA next year... under Kobe Bryant. He'll have to play in a new offense, and at the end of next year - he'll be gone. Opt out. If the Lakers give Kobe everything he asks for - which is basically a Jr. GM role - he'll stay. He won't let his hate for Shaq drive him out if they hand him the team. He'll stay - and redude Shaq's role to rebounder. Shaq will fake hurt half the year and that'll be that. At this point, when you look at what Shaq brings next year - moretrouble than good - I hope they can trade him. Better to get compensation for someone who's gonna leave anyway. As far as coach K coming or not, read my post above. I think the chances are very good for us right now.

MUTANTFRIEND

Sunday, July 4, 2004 12:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Static:
I'm a Carolinian Browncoat and have been a die-hard fan of the NCSU Wolfpack all my life. Cried like a baby when Jimmy V. passed away and still get choked up when I hear the "Neva. . .eva give up" speech.

However, like all true Carolinan ACC fans, we recognize that when our OWN team of choice, be it Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest or Duke is not the one to represent our fair state in one manner or another, we automatically shift our support to our neighbors.

Having said that. . .I think it would be the height of shinyness to have Coach K don the mantle of "Head Coach" for the Lakers, and I think there would be no better man for the job. 'Cept of course if Jimmy V. were alive, may God have mercy on his sweet soul.

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"Wash. . .we got some local color happening. A grand entrance would not go amiss."

Amen to that, bro! You, my friend, are ok in my book. I think you're absolutely right to feel pride at the fact Coach K. might become the most famous basketball coach in the world. And if he wins - holy god. He'll be known as one of the greatest. It'll be Red, Phil and Mike in the same breath. Not bad company at all. All he has to do is pull one championship - and he'll be known as "the greatest". Something every Carolinian, as well as Duke alumunus, would be supremely proud of.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, July 4, 2004 2:07 AM

SEC Football fan here, and I care less about the LA Lakers than I do Duke Basketball. Ok, Duke is ok and Coach K is great for the college game, but I think it would be a poor choice for him to go to La La land. Then again, w/ the downfall of college basketball on the horizon ( H.S. kids going directly to the NBA, college kids jumping early ), it might be a logical move for him to make.

Don't know about the Lakers or Coach K, but 1 thing I do know for sure, us Browncoats? ..we shall rise again!

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

STANDING8

Sunday, July 4, 2004 3:12 AM

mutantfriend:

yeah im afraid shaq might have to stay.(i dont want that to happen) it will be another season with MORE turmoil than seasons past. and if that happens it will just tarnish their legacy that much more and i dont want that. i honestly want shaq out and kobe out. and let the lakers rebuild with fresh faces. i would like either kobe or shaq go to a big venue like new york. but i doubt that will happen. the clippers are my team so i would be lying if i said i didnt want kobe to consider them. but i doubt that will happen either.

yeah its not looking good for college basketball with the HS jumping straight, but last year david stern was trying to work out an age limit for the players entering the league. like 20, so high schoolers couldnt jump straigh to HS and be forced to play a few years in the collegiate ranks. who knows?

oh and about what i said concerning the jones/tarver fight. i didnt like what i said, i think tarver was a little hungrier than jones BUT even the greatest boxers get caught with a perfect(or lucky)punch. and alot of the time, thats all it takes. i betted on the first fight and the second fight and lost money both times. but if a third fight ever happened, i wouldnt hesitate putting my money on jones jr again.

thanks for the kind words, you made some great points as well. browncoats unite!

-Soul Rebel-

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